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Ontario $14 impact on your tipping?

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Ontario $14 impact on your tipping?

Curious with the new wages, does it have any impact on the way you tip now?

If the purpose of the wage is to be livable, does that remove the need to tip, if tipping was to pay for server's "lower" wages. Or if food costs increase, now your % tip increases for same level of service.

Minimum wage category......Current........October 1, 2017......January 1, 2018 .......January 1, 2019
General..............................$11.40...................$11.60.................$14.00...................$15.00
Student under 18...............$10.70...................$10.90..................$13.15..................$14.10
Liquor servers....................$9.90.....................$10.10................$12.20....................$13.05

I think tipping is unfair since servers only make 1.80/hr less which they can easily make up and more in tips with 1 table in an hour. Retail or fast food workers make minimum and don't get tip. Think about when they deal with black Friday madness or McDonald $1/free deals. Taxi get tip vs bus driver don't, etc.

I think I'll go with $ flat tip and give more depending on service or if it's ayce. The flat tip might start off at 1.80 to fill the gap but remain in line with 10-15% percentage method.
Last edited by Dynasty12345 on Jan 6th, 2018 3:21 am, edited 1 time in total.
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I always give tip, and will always do. Tipping, from my concern, is not because of the minimum wage, but because of what good service the server have done... It always been like that and will always be... That's my personnal opinion... I sometime tip my local mechanic because he provided me a little service for free... And I think he is paid far more than the minimum wage ;) tipping is a mark of appreciation for something special that have been done
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Away from RFD idiots
I don't like tipping because my home country have no tipping culture (actually frowned upon).

If you live in canada, you tip. That's just how it is. Doesn't matter whether min. Wage is at 15$ or 30$.

If i tipped 15% before, I'm still going to tip 15% now. Doesnt matter the increase in price of food..
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I never understood why ppl tip. Doing your job well and courteously especially in a customer service position is a part of your job. You don't get extra credit for doing your job.

This is coming from a person who worked minimum wage customer service Jobs for 5 years while in school
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DontCareyou wrote:
Jan 6th, 2018 9:12 am
You don't get extra credit for doing your job.
Really?

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DoorCrasher wrote:
Jan 6th, 2018 8:11 am
I always give tip, and will always do. Tipping, from my concern, is not because of the minimum wage, but because of what good service the server have done... It always been like that and will always be... That's my personnal opinion... I sometime tip my local mechanic because he provided me a little service for free... And I think he is paid far more than the minimum wage ;) tipping is a mark of appreciation for something special that have been done

Do you tip McDonald's and Wall Mart staff and if not why not?
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I strongly dislike tipping. I'd be OK with it if a person went way out of their way to do something special, but if they're just doing their regular job and expecting a tip then no.

Wife thinks people will spit in our food if we don't tip.

Therefore we rarely go to restaurants. Which is good because most of them suck and are way overpriced. I'd rather cook my own food.
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To be honest I probably am going to be tipping less. I usually tip 20% but I think I am going to tip a maximum of 15%, and 10% if I thought things were bad.

I am not wealthy by any means but am probably better off than the wait staff. With the new minimum wage the cost is going to be reflected in the prices. I figure I can eat out less which is bad for the restaurant industry or still go out and tip a little less.

I usual tip more if I am at a diner or someplace I feel the staff have to work just as hard (or harder) than a standard restaurant but the prices are relatively low.
I tend to tip less if I have dinner with a few drinks because carrying out an extra drink or two doesn't amount to that much additional work.

I also tend to tip more if I get a table and just order a drink because the bill is so small.
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I tip max 15% if service is good, mainly as a cultural thing. And less or none if service is bad. I refuse to join this new trend of tipping 18-20%
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Tipping in restaurants is getting ridiculous ... mainly who came up with the 15% rule? Why not 5%? Or 75%?


In the states tipping is big cause the servers there get paid next to nothing so they rely on tips for their pay.

In Canada they pretty much make money aligned with minimum wage workers... hence well overpaid compared to the same job done in other parts of the world.

Also again going to 15% if I order a $10 bottle of wine or $100 bottle of wine, the job will probably entail about the same ... yet a tip on $10 bottle is about $1.50 and $100 is $15. A waiter is not working 10 times harder to serve that wine.

These are the small things I don’t get ... I rarely ever eat at dine in restaurants so doesn’t matter but find it weird...I’m not saying don’t tip but tipping based on % is outdated ...
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It might affect mine tipping. I used to tip 17-20% but I'm thinking now it'll be lower than 15%.

If the price if food is going up the amount of money they get in tip will be close to what it was before.


Honestly, I thought servers got paid much less than min. wage, not $1 less.

That being said, we almost never eat out any longer since my kid is a beat and won't sit still for 5 minutes.
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astroboy100 wrote:
Jan 6th, 2018 1:46 pm
I tip max 15% if service is good, mainly as a cultural thing. And less or none if service is bad. I refuse to join this new trend of tipping 18-20%
Standard tip in Canada was ALWAYS 10% and maybe 15% for exceptional service. This 15-20% is a deliberate creation of the food service and tourism industries.
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Sanyo wrote:
Jan 6th, 2018 2:01 pm

Also again going to 15% if I order a $10 bottle of wine or $100 bottle of wine, the job will probably entail about the same ... yet a tip on $10 bottle is about $1.50 and $100 is $15. A waiter is not working 10 times harder to serve that wine.
I think along the same lines. If I order a $40 prime rib and the table next to me, being served by the same employee, only gets the $10 burger platter why should I feel obligated to tip almost $5 more than the other guy for the same service?
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DontCareyou wrote:
Jan 6th, 2018 9:12 am
I never understood why ppl tip. Doing your job well and courteously especially in a customer service position is a part of your job. You don't get extra credit for doing your job.

This is coming from a person who worked minimum wage customer service Jobs for 5 years while in school
Problem with that idea is that these people make *less* than regular minimum wage. They have a special wage because it's a custom in this country, and countries like the US, to tip the server. Usually too their is a tip-out for the kitchen staff.

As for original question, I'll have to see. I might start tipping 15% on pre-tax rather than total bill amount -- this for decent service at a decent restaurant. Piss poor service still gets 0%. OK service gets 10% and exceptional service (including compliments for messed up orders) gets 20%.
Well, I am not a crook.
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Will add...I usually tip the ladies that cut my hair. I went back to where I normally go and prices jump 15%, this due to minimum wage (they get paid minimum). So yeah, I got back on my tip. I'm far from rich, so I cut back my tip (for two of us) from $6 to $4, and I'm still out an extra $3.

I do believe that those in the service industry won't see an increase in their take-home pay/cash. In fact, it might go down a little.
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