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Phoenix payroll mess - 'Can't guarantee' fixing Phoenix won't cost $1B: Qualtrough

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It may not be in the interest of Union bosses to simplify things, but it certainly is in their interest to in-source

http://www.pipsc.ca/news-issues/press-r ... stem-works
Ottawa, November 14, 2017 – The Phoenix pay system needs to be replaced with a new system that works built by the government's own IT professionals, says the Professional Institute of the Public Service of Canada (PIPSC), which represents over 50,000 federal government employees.

"After nearly two years of problems with IBM's Phoenix pay system, our members have lost confidence in the promise of fixing Phoenix," said PIPSC President Debi Daviau. "Despite all efforts to fix Phoenix, the number of open cases of pay problems has grown to 330,000 as of October 2017 – with no end in sight. Enough is enough."

In its proposal, PIPSC calls for parallel processes to deal with the immediate pay crisis plaguing public servants and the long-term needs of the government.

To address immediate needs, PIPSC is calling on the government to hire additional staff to help employees impacted by the Phoenix pay system. For a faster, longer-term solution, PIPSC is calling on the government to task its own IT professionals with building a new pay system based on the latest version of PeopleSoft, the widely used human resources management system, and adapting it to the complex needs of the Government of Canada pay environment.

"The government needs to stop throwing good money after bad and start investing in a system that works," added Daviau. "As it happens, we already have the expertise and the people within the federal public service capable of designing and building it. They just need the opportunity to do so. The longer the current government delays investing in a properly designed pay system, the longer it will continue to waste tens of millions of public dollars on private contracts to patch a faulty system that was broken from the start. And the longer federal employees will be made to suffer for a bad system."
So is she saying that the IT professionals currently within the federal public service don't have enough work to keep them occupied that they have the spare time to design, build, and implement a major IT system? Or does she want to government to hire more IT workers to build the system (and increase the number of members in PIPSC)?
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MrWhiteCoffee wrote:
Nov 13th, 2017 8:06 pm
You do know it was the Conservatives who implemented Phoenix right?

i am aware of that, however the liberals have had 2 years to fix this and have failed so far. to me that says alot, regardless of the complexity, i expect better from the government.
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CheapScotch wrote:
Nov 14th, 2017 6:38 pm
....So is she saying that the IT professionals currently within the federal public service don't have enough work to keep them occupied that they have the spare time to design, build, and implement a major IT system? ....
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MrWhiteCoffee wrote:
Nov 13th, 2017 8:06 pm
You do know it was the Conservatives who implemented Phoenix right?
brandonly wrote:
Nov 14th, 2017 8:06 pm
i am aware of that, however the liberals have had 2 years to fix this and have failed so far. to me that says alot, regardless of the complexity, i expect better from the government.

Actually, I will use the words correctly and tell you that the Conservatives instigated and contracted development of Phoenix but, against all warnings by public service an unions, the Liberals ordered the implementation.
Is it solipsistic here? Or is it just me?

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