Pics of Pollution In China

[teknoluv]

Maybe I missed a "mars" thread, or YOU definitely missed the cardboard Chinese-food thread last week.

LOL! I didn't know that you two went to Mars together.

so why the mars remark

Because those remain on earth should have read about the follow up (that the "cardboard bun" story was FAKE). But then to be fair, there could be even worse stories around that we don't know about.

[st7860]

[canabiz]

River waters ?

[lh0628]

River waters ?

No confiscated police evidence from a cocktail bar.

[teknoluv]

No confiscated police evidence from a cocktail bar.

It's actually an installation artwork of an avante-garde Chinese trio called "River Water" ("He Shui").

[ronin893]

Who said anything about per capita basis - largest polluter is largest polluter I said China as a nation not on a an individual basis

Umm, I did. Having difficulty following the conversation? You added your opinion to the thread (by calling it a "gist"). I added my opinion about per-capita comparison.

Another picture from Guardian posted on May 10, 2007 -- with the caption that the water was collected by Wu Yilong, an environmental activist, according to Guardian.

A minute with Google reveals that Wu Yilong is a political dissident arrested in 1999. Do I need to say more? Okay, one more comment. Why is it that the bottles are not labelled with fundamental details such as where it was collected and when?

[st7860]

Umm, I did. Having difficulty following the conversation? You added your opinion to the thread (by calling it a "gist"). I added my opinion about per-capita comparison.


Another picture from Guardian posted on May 10, 2007 -- with the caption that the water was collected by Wu Yilong, an environmental activist, according to Guardian.

A minute with Google reveals that Wu Yilong is a political dissident arrested in 1999. Do I need to say more? Okay, one more comment. Why is it that the bottles are not labelled with fundamental details such as where it was collected and when?

do you still carry your party card with you?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communist_Party_of_China

[rb]

Umm, I did. Having difficulty following the conversation? You added your opinion to the thread (by calling it a "gist"). I added my opinion about per-capita comparison.


Another picture from Guardian posted on May 10, 2007 -- with the caption that the water was collected by Wu Yilong, an environmental activist, according to Guardian.

A minute with Google reveals that Wu Yilong is a political dissident arrested in 1999. Do I need to say more? Okay, one more comment. Why is it that the bottles are not labelled with fundamental details such as where it was collected and when?

No political dissident says it all - ie someone who doesn't agree with the party line - heaven forbid , he must be a nutcase

[king_george]

Umm, I did. Having difficulty following the conversation? You added your opinion to the thread (by calling it a "gist"). I added my opinion about per-capita comparison.


Another picture from Guardian posted on May 10, 2007 -- with the caption that the water was collected by Wu Yilong, an environmental activist, according to Guardian.

A minute with Google reveals that Wu Yilong is a political dissident arrested in 1999. Do I need to say more? Okay, one more comment. Why is it that the bottles are not labelled with fundamental details such as where it was collected and when?

Hey looks like someone cleaned out my fridge...

But really I think this photo is for shock value. Putting labels and making observations and photos is for the researchers, not a bunch of amateurs. I'd love to find out where the coloured stuff comes from.

PS what does being a political dissident have to do with a water pollution demonstration? Pollution is pollution no matter who shows it (if this is real pollution of course). Are you sure it's the same guy here as the dissident?

[teknoluv]

A minute with Google reveals that Wu Yilong is a political dissident arrested in 1999. Do I need to say more?

Well, I don't know much about this Wu Yilong guy, but your implication that a political dissident's words are not trustworthy (if I haven't got it wrong) is a bit off. As long as it's not coming from Falun Gong (they are famous for badmouthing the Chinese Communist Party at whatever cost, even by fabricating stories, a.k.a. LIES), I wouldn't rule anything out outright.

[maebach]

People don't appreciate how true this could be. Coming to a market near you.

no thanks

[ronin893]

Hey looks like someone cleaned out my fridge...

But really I think this photo is for shock value. Putting labels and making observations and photos is for the researchers, not a bunch of amateurs. I'd love to find out where the coloured stuff comes from.

PS what does being a political dissident have to do with a water pollution demonstration? Pollution is pollution no matter who shows it (if this is real pollution of course). Are you sure it's the same guy here as the dissident?

Given that there's 1.3 billion people in China, I suppose it is possible to have two or more persons with the same name (especially transliterated names). However, what are the likelihood of two persons with the same name who is protesting against the government? Plus, the guy in question is not there during the photo op. According to Guardian, it's his wife that's standing behind the bottles. I'm guessing she's the one with the angry look on her face. Either it's the same guy and he's still in jail or it's a different guy who's in hiding with a very p1ssed off wife.

The Wu Yilong who was arrested in 1999 founded a political party challenging the CCP's authority. I'm mocking Guardian for calling him an environmental activist. And, no, Wu wasn't trying to form the Green Party.

Well, I don't know much about this Wu Yilong guy, but your implication that a political dissident's words are not trustworthy (if I haven't got it wrong) is a bit off. As long as it's not coming from Falun Gong (they are famous for badmouthing the Chinese Communist Party at whatever cost, even by fabricating stories, a.k.a. LIES), I wouldn't rule anything out outright.

Mr. Wu is not present in the photo. The bottles were brought to the attention of the foreign press by Wu's wife. She tells everyone that her husband collected these "samples". So we have here two possible scenarios.

First: Her husband collected the water prior to 1999, did not label the bottles, and the wife kept the dirty stinking bottles for 8 or more years, and then brought out into public. (She must be waiting for the water to age to perfection.)

Second: The wife has an axe to grind with the government due to her husband's incarceration. She fabricates evidence to humiliate and try to draw international condemnation on the government.

I vote for the second scenario.

I don't rule out what dissidents say merely because they are dissidents. You have to look at the facts objectively. I agree with you on the Falun Gong thing. They were the first group which made me skeptical of dissidents. Another famous lying dissident is Ahmed Chalabi who was feeding lies to the CIA about Saddam's regime.


PS: Here is the link to the original Guardian photo. Feel free to analyze it.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/gall...ture=329825171