I am in the process of finishing my basement and will be soon at the pot lights stage. Never had any and don't know much about them. Ceiling will be dry wall and not insulated. Read a lot on the net but can't say I fully understand all the options available.
Hope someone can help/advice on best possible pot lights solution.
Here is what I am hoping to achieve:
I'll need total of about 40 lights...and would love to be able to have some low energy consumption bulbs...like CFL's etc.
I am also planning to have few circuits with dimmers...
I've read about the newest/greatest dimmable CFL's but have hard time finding any been sold in Local stores(GTA).
Can those type of bulbs be used in pot lights?
Any idea on cost and will it be worth it the potential savings in the long run?
Getting scared of my future electrical bills if I end up using "regular/high energy consumtion" 50W bulbs even with dimmers.
Appreciate any ideas and suggestions.
Apr 18th, 2009 10:05 PM #1
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Pot lights for my basement - best option
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Apr 19th, 2009 12:53 AM #2
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How big is your basement? Potlights are meant to be accent lights, so you do not want to oversaturate rooms with potlights.
A pot light provides illumination for about ~100 square feet (5 feet of coverage each way); but realistically speaking, you can opt for less light in some areas since you'll have floor lamps etc.
Anyhow 40 pot lights seems like a lot.
I would go with GU-10 lights, they look the best. There are CFLs for GU-10s these days, but if you're going to be using CFLs, you might as well just install flourcent tubes
There's LED lighting too - not as bright as traditional potlights but could be worth a look.
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Apr 19th, 2009 09:53 AM #3
I recently finished my basement which is a pretty good size (basement of a 2700 sqft home) and I used 17 PAR-20 potlights which provide enough light to make it nice and bright for the kids play area/ entertainment area. They are halogen bulbs which are installed on a dimmer to tweak the brightness as appropriate.
Stay away from CFL in the basement as it does not look right. I have used the CFL version of the PAR20 in the kitchen which is fine but I hated them in the basement even if the halogen uses 4x the power. To ensure the lighting looked ok I played with locations before I drywalled to make sure I was happy, as a result I added 3 I wasn't planning on.
For the enclosures I used the new construction style that hammer into the joists. I avoided the HD retrofit units as they seemed pretty cheap construction, I bought mine at a local electrical contractor store. A bit more money but I believe them to be better quality. Just my opinion, not fully grounded however my electrician brother in-law agreed for what it is worth.
Make sure you don't overload your electrical circuits especially with 40+ potlights as you can only have 12 devices per circuit!
Apr 19th, 2009 03:03 PM #4
Basement is 1000 sq. feet and the whole house (not including the basement) is 2300 sq. feet.
Maybe I am overdoing it...but after so much reading I was willing to error on the side of overdoing it and installing more lights than not to have enough lights as basements by definition is dark place to begin with. After all I figured I can always make it less light using dimmers but if I don't install enough lights had to make it brighter should I need to.
Again from reading I decided to install them about 3' apart from each other not to have shady areas...all cables are in place already....based on your suggestions should I go now and reposition everything all over again to have less lights? My thinking was even if I have more lights than I should I can always dim them down and that way decrease electricity usage.
I've decided to install even more outlets than required by code as I am tired of never having enough outlets and tripping over extension cords everywhere.
The electrician helping me said he'll be using 6 x 15 Amp breakers to evenly distribute all the load.
I am surprised no one suggests using CFL's when those seem to be the talk in town now days.
I was told to stay away from LED (not enough light) and from low voltage (problematic)....that leaves me with CFL's (still hope to find them in dimmable version) or halogen (big electricity users).
Anyhow...hope for some more comments/ideas...I'd appreciate them.
Apr 19th, 2009 03:34 PM #5
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I don't know if you've checked home depot, but the ones here all have cfl-dimmable bulbs in a floodlight style like you'd put in a potlight.
Apr 19th, 2009 04:10 PM #6
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Being a 120VAC halogen bulb there are no tricks in using any dimmer or X10/Insteon controls. Rona has a PAR20 in a 35W!
There are PAR20s that are available in LED, but I don't know about availability and price. However, my point is, plan for PAR20 halogen and then switch to LED bulbs when they are more common and cheaper. The change from halogen to LED will not affect any of your dimmers/controls.
I used the 4" Bazz potlight available from Home Depot (and others). The Bazz also comes in "eyeball" if a few locations would benefit from directional lighting. (I also used wall sconces on separate circuits for additional lighting moods. Again any 120V fixture is going to work best with standard dimmers.)
In a room that is "L" shaped and approximately 27' x 24' I used 8 fixtures in the main area and 5 (4 in a square + 1 centered) in an area above a pool table. Each area is two circuits for lighting - one for potlights and one for sconces. (Actually I split off 2 potlights and 2 sconces -with 2 more circuits - that were closest to my projection screen so that I can keep that end of the room darker.)
The Bazz fixtures are "post drywall install" type, so just pre-wire your circuits before drywall. Just daisy chain your wiring from one fixture location to the next (for lights that are on the same circuit). Use a plumb line from the desired fixture location and mark your floor with crayon (or whatnot) to identify the center of the fixture. Install the drywall and then use the plumb line again to mark the drywall to cut your 4" hole and dig for the hidden wires. Then start with the potlight installation.
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Apr 19th, 2009 09:44 PM #9
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I had the same experience with CFLs as described here. Halogen GU10s on dimmers in my basement...and I used 8 of them in a 14x24 ft room. 40 seems like massive overkill, or the world's most awesome basement
I think the PAR20 bulbs look better in basements with lower ceilings - the GU10 can seem a little too "spotty" if they don't have some distance to spread out over.
Apr 20th, 2009 01:21 AM #10
just to let you know how much I value your opinions - just finished re-aranging all my pot lights. I am down to 30 now (from 40 originally).
Any less than that and I maybe tripping in darkness
Re-aranging was easier than I thought...took me only 3 hours and I now have some extra 14/2 cable
Anyhow...I like the idea of PAR20 with possibility for future replacement of the halogen lights with LED should they become cheaper/brighter.
Keep your comments/ideas coming please as there very valuable for me.
This is my first basement and I am hoping to avoid any major mistakes by taking the advice of those more experienced than me.
Apr 20th, 2009 06:09 AM #11
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Can you post your floorplan, chocho? I'm still having trouble believing you need 30 fixtures...how many sqft is your basement?
Apr 20th, 2009 07:32 AM #12
I've posted above the basement size is 1000 sq. feet total....take out the cold room and mechanical/storage room ....remaining area is about 870sq. feet....
I have one bedroom (11'x13')that will not have pot lights (single ceiling light).
Here is how the pot lights are distributed:
1) Bathroom 8'x10'- 4
2) Corridor/stairs landing/in between bulkheads - 10
3) Larger open concept "room" 13'x16' - 12 (4 of those are on the other side of a long (16') bulkhead that splits that room in 1:3 proportion)
3) Smaller open concept "room" 9'x13' - 4
Sizes are approximate.
Have floor plan but it got changed so many times it does not accurately represent the reality anymore and will be confusing posting it.
Main reason I see for the 30 lights is because the way the stairs/corridor are and also because of the numerous bulkheads - ended up adding lights in those areas to prevent dark spots. If the bulkheads were not there I can see eliminating 4-8 additional lights. I am afraid if I do it now some areas will end up been too dark (compared to the rest) because all those bulkheads will prevent even light distribution. One other factor that played role in my case - I was trying to line the pot lights so they are symmetrically located (right now 4' from each other, and from the walls) and matching the pattern in the neighboring open concept room and also to match the ones in the corridor leading to the larger open concept room.
Hope this gives better idea of what I am trying to achieve.
Apr 20th, 2009 08:43 AM #13
It all comes down to personal preference however once the room is drywalled and painted it looks a lot brighter and with the number we have now I feel like I am getting a sun tan at times!!
Apr 20th, 2009 09:46 AM #14
Is your 13'x32 space with even/flat ceiling?
If so that makes sense as you wouldn't have dealt with bulkheads I have...
If I didn't have the bulkhead running 1/3 along the length of that room I'd probably have 8 pot lights in total in that room. The other 4 now cover the bulkhead area. That been said I may decrease the number of lights in that space possibly down to 9 (from current 12)./....just have to find the best way to do it.
Apr 20th, 2009 10:05 AM #15
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