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Potential Biz startup help

Hey RFD,

I need some advice, info with a potential business start up. I have a friend who has a moving company with about 10 trucks in it. He took over the company from family after it was already setup and established for more than 10 years. On weekends, he has been rejecting and turning down business for people looking for movers as he just doesnt have enough trucks nor personnel. (similiar to 2 men and a truck setup)

He has suggested to me, I should quit by 9-5 and purchase a moving truck and he will be able to send me jobs. He send he can cut me a cheque, and have everything above board no problem and I would easily make more money and potentially a better home life with this change.

I am seriously interested in this, but wondering would it be better/smarter for me to create my own company and basically be subcontracted for the move jobs. What type of expenses would i be looking at in business registration fees? How does auto insurance for the truck compare business use vs personal use?

My friend said he is ok to do either option for me, sub contracting, or I can even just sign up and be an employee for his company. Would the tax benefits of having my own company and being able to write off against the company truck expenses and etc be worth it to register as a company. Or is it just less headaches an easier to just be an employee in his company?

Sorry for the many questions. I appreciate any feedback.
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Well, if you start your own company, you can also hire your own employees and get even more trucks. Thereby making money off other people's sweat. But then you have all the drawbacks that he has, which is finding reliable people etc. to work for you.

You'll also need to look at liability insurance and getting bonding, I suspect. Your actual vehicle insurance might not be much different than your personal policy, but you will need insurance for the client's stuff that you're moving. Registering for a business is relatively cheap.

Basically, less headaches being an employee. But less money too. Unless you gather together some numbers, you won't be able to make an informed decision.

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CNeufeld wrote:
Jul 12th, 2018 4:19 pm
Well, if you start your own company, you can also hire your own employees and get even more trucks. Thereby making money off other people's sweat. But then you have all the drawbacks that he has, which is finding reliable people etc. to work for you.

You'll also need to look at liability insurance and getting bonding, I suspect. Your actual vehicle insurance might not be much different than your personal policy, but you will need insurance for the client's stuff that you're moving. Registering for a business is relatively cheap.

Basically, less headaches being an employee. But less money too. Unless you gather together some numbers, you won't be able to make an informed decision.

C
Thank you for the insightful reply.

In regards to the liability insurance. That would be just cover the items being delivered in the truck and being moved correct? It would be just me and my brother working in the truck. Would i need insurance to cover my brother from injury or anything?

looking to do this as clean, simple and basic as possible. Hoping I won't need an accountant to setup as trying to keep costs down at first while still small.
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HiClass wrote:
Jul 12th, 2018 4:39 pm
Thank you for the insightful reply.

In regards to the liability insurance. That would be just cover the items being delivered in the truck and being moved correct? It would be just me and my brother working in the truck. Would i need insurance to cover my brother from injury or anything?

looking to do this as clean, simple and basic as possible. Hoping I won't need an accountant to setup as trying to keep costs down at first while still small.
Yeah, you'd be looking at workman's comp, I'm pretty sure.

Your buddy should be able to give you a pretty good idea of what costs HE has on his setup...

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I know a lot of answers I CNA get from my friend but I'm trying to get as much on my own just incase he tries to steer me in the direction that works best for him.
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Why so you need to quit your 9-5 if nost of the moving work is done on weekends?
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Tired of working a dead end job and not being able to spend more time with my family.

My 9-5 has no light in the end of the tunnel. Make just enough money to barely survive but not enoughto be worry free or to thrive. And then living in fear every week that at anytime you can be fired and replaced like a piece of trash is not really a way to life.
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HiClass wrote:
Jul 13th, 2018 1:33 am
Tired of working a dead end job and not being able to spend more time with my family.

My 9-5 has no light in the end of the tunnel. Make just enough money to barely survive but not enoughto be worry free or to thrive. And then living in fear every week that at anytime you can be fired and replaced like a piece of trash is not really a way to life.
To be fooled that running your own business is any panacea. Most likely the risks and time demands are even greater, among other things.
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eonibm wrote:
Jul 14th, 2018 8:55 am
To be fooled that running your own business is any panacea. Most likely the risks and time demands are even greater, among other things.
I wouldn't be running the entire business myself. In fact, a lot of the leg work my friends company would be doing. The advertising, customer service. Dispatch, materials. Once set up, from a day to day point it will be just wkends showing up and lifting, packing and moving.
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HiClass wrote:
Jul 15th, 2018 11:21 pm
I wouldn't be running the entire business myself. In fact, a lot of the leg work my friends company would be doing. The advertising, customer service. Dispatch, materials. Once set up, from a day to day point it will be just wkends showing up and lifting, packing and moving.
And then things go wrong, people quit, there are things you didn't think of, you have to babysit people and suddenly your workload increases by a factor of 10.
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eonibm wrote:
Jul 17th, 2018 11:11 am
And then things go wrong, people quit, there are things you didn't think of, you have to babysit people and suddenly your workload increases by a factor of 10.
Sorry that wouldn't apply for me. As the biz will be 95% me as the only employee. So only myself to babysit. Thanks for the positive helpful advice though.
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Sorry, but I'm with eonibm... I think you're deluding yourself if you think this is a way to a stress free life. The physical part will kick your butt, and dealing with clients and their issues will kick your mental butt. And that's if things go as planned...

Plus how do you make as much money working weekends as a mover as you do working full time now? Have you considered a career change? I don't see moving as being a terribly high margin type of job, especially when you're the only employee.

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HiClass wrote:
Jul 17th, 2018 5:29 pm
Sorry that wouldn't apply for me. As the biz will be 95% me as the only employee. So only myself to babysit. Thanks for the positive helpful advice though.
Until you slip and fall and hurt your back and can't work for 6 months......
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BoatyMcBoatface wrote:
Jul 18th, 2018 4:08 pm
Until you slip and fall and hurt your back and can't work for 6 months......
Which is the same thing that can happen to me now.

Thanks RFD for the great positive advice.
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Seems to me like the truck is the biggest investment, so maybe try to score a good deal on a used truck first.
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