Problem with $450 ticket last week loblaws

[mystery]

I perfectly understand the outrage over this type of offence.

However, when dealing with legal matters, one must deal with the law only, and leave emotion aside.

One must remember that there is a difference between legality and morality. Morally the OP should just pay the ticket. Legally, the OP can fight it.

[Ebola]

There aren't enough law enforcement to give all the stupid people their stupid fines. Luckily there was one around this time.

[Jon Lai]

So next time you get a ticket Jon Lai, please be a chump and go pay it.

If I was as stupid as OP and parked where I knew wasn't legal, then I would pay the full amount on the ticket. If I was OP, I would feel disgrace to have broken the law, and paying the fine would only have been the punishment that OP deserved in this case. If it happened to me, I would've done the same thing.

A few years back I was redoing my driveway and parked the car on the road overnight, received a ticket from the city for $35 for parking between 2:30 and 6:00am. I didn't know about this by-law at the time, but guess what, I owned up to it and paid it. I googled it up, the by-law existed, I was guilty, I paid it.

The system allows you to fight tickets when you believe the officer booked you for something you didn't do, not for something that you did on purpose and you were well aware that you were doing it despite that. People just keep abusing it, and guess what, that means all taxpayers is helping them pay THEIR fines when all other taxpayers did not contribute to committing that crime.

How fair is that?

[jetway1212]

Silly argument? Why don't you learn to think for yourself?

The reality of the situation is that most people already do not own up to their fine and pay it. The ones that do are a doormat. Most people would rather dispute it. Disputing a traffic ticket is a part of our legal process. The government anticipates this and the money is budgeted for it regardless. Yes, less people disputing their ticket would mean less taxpayer money put towards traffic court. Will this be a significant amount? Probably not. What kind of backwards thinking is this? To think "hmmm if I own up to it, hopefully everyone else will, and our taxpayer money won't be wasted". How naive are you? Come back down to earth. People will take advantage of whatever they can to help themselves out of a situation like a traffic ticket. For every 3 people that own up to their ticket, theres gonna be 15 others that are willing to fight it. If this if that, please. If we all stopped driving cars the environment would be better off.

To generalize who pays their taxes and who "mooches off others' contributions" based on who/who doesn't pay their traffic tickets is ***** thinking. I pay a lot of taxes, and if I get a ticket I will damn well make sure I fight it because a couple dollars of my taxes have gone into the legal system. I'd better damn well use the legal system. Just because one fights a traffic ticket means they're mooching off other people's taxes? How pathetic.

Yes, it is stupid to fight a traffic ticket. Stupid to get it thrown out. Stupid to not get your insurance rate increased. Please.
Yes, if I fight a traffic ticket, the world revolves around me. hahaha.
I'm sure taxpayer money put towards fighting traffic tickets is at the bottom of the list of inefficient government spending.

Do yourself a favour. If you ever get a traffic ticket please always pay for it. The ticket and cop indicate that you are guilty, therefore you should be. If you don't fight your ticket I will love you to death because you'll be saving us taxpayers so much money! yay! you saved us a few dollars. But wait, theres 20 other people fighting that same ticket.

Peace out.

Let me guess, you're a scum with no job....

[q1w2e3r4]

Nicely said.

However, when dealing with legal matters, one must deal with the law only, and leave emotion aside.

One must remember that there is a difference between legality and morality. Morally the OP should just pay the ticket. Legally, the OP can fight it.

[tdu]

I perfectly understand the outrage over this type of offence.

However, when dealing with legal matters, one must deal with the law only, and leave emotion aside.

One must remember that there is a difference between legality and morality. Morally the OP should just pay the ticket. Legally, the OP can fight it.

Legally, he knew exactly what he was doing. He knew parking in the spot was an offense. He didn't come on here and say "the spot wasn't clearly marked" or "there was no sign". He admits he knowingly parked in a handicap spot to save him some time running into a store. If he nows goes into the court to fight it using any other excuse, he is clearly lying to them. Which is likely exactly what he will do now.

That is why I don't really agree with all the posts comparing this to fighting a traffic ticket, or an unwarranted ticket. The guy knowingly committed an offense (and an idiotic one at that), knowing what the results could be. And he is now on here whining about it. Yes people are right when they tell him he can fight it. But it should also always be prefaced with the statement that he is an idiot for knowingly parking there, and that he deserves exactly what he got.

In an ideal world the judge would tell him the same thing because in this case, that really is the bottom line. Legally and morally.

[googoo]

The guy knowingly committed an offense (and an idiotic one at that), knowing what the results could be. And he is now on here whining about it. Yes people are right when they tell him he can fight it. But it should also always be prefaced with the statement that he is an idiot for knowingly parking there, and that he deserves exactly what he got.

Well put!

Morality has taken a back seat, and it's sad to see!

As for _protege_, if you got a ticket like lexnar did herehttp://www.redflagdeals.com/forums/s...d.php?t=724855 THEN I would agree, he knew nothing or had no ability to deal with the situation at the time, THIS GUY knew ACACTLY what he did but isn't taking responsibility for them.

Brent

[mr_raider]

+1

It's as if he wanted to make a... 'statement'. I certainly hope he was given the proper ticket... times four; that too would have sent a message.

What? I'm a quadraplegic and I get on spot for each limb?

[nx2k]

so let me get this straight
if you did the crime, you should do the time?
you shouldn't get a lawyer (if it warranted), you shouldn't try to get a reduced penalty? basically, you should just take it? whatever you're charged with, just admit and take the penalty?

That's the biggest load of crap i've ever heard.
is it not the accuse's right to due process?
should he/she not be able to defend him/herself in a court of law?

whether or not the ticket is warranted or what the ultimate decision is of the judge, you guys are suggesting the OP throw out his rights and just take it?

and to the person who questioned my original post, no i was not kidding, i've had multiple parking infractions thrown out that way. call me selfish if you will, but i prefer more money in my pocket rather than less.

[new_vr]

I perfectly understand the outrage over this type of offence.

However, when dealing with legal matters, one must deal with the law only, and leave emotion aside.

One must remember that there is a difference between legality and morality. Morally the OP should just pay the ticket. Legally, the OP can fight it.

Legally they are entitled to fight it. They just can't expect the majority of people to be on their side. Most of us are frustrated when we have to park a kilometer away from the store, when there are a bunch of open handicapped space, but we do it. Don't expect our sympathies or help if you get caught for this

[tdu]

Legally they are entitled to fight it. They just can't expect the majority of people to be on their side. Most of us are frustrated when we have to park a kilometer away from the store, when there are a bunch of open handicapped space, but we do it. Don't expect our sympathies or help if you get caught for this

Plus the guy had the nerve to post on here about it, clearly stating he did it intentionally.

[mjl_toronto]

Probably too late posting this since the OP got himself banned, but if you're broke, how can you afford to buy 2 carts full of groceries at Loblaws? That must have cost you at least $450!!!

I'm not broke but even I shop at No Frills.

[rems]

so let me get this straight
if you did the crime, you should do the time?
you shouldn't get a lawyer (if it warranted), you shouldn't try to get a reduced penalty? basically, you should just take it? whatever you're charged with, just admit and take the penalty?

That's the biggest load of crap i've ever heard.
is it not the accuse's right to due process?
should he/she not be able to defend him/herself in a court of law?

whether or not the ticket is warranted or what the ultimate decision is of the judge, you guys are suggesting the OP throw out his rights and just take it?

and to the person who questioned my original post, no i was not kidding, i've had multiple parking infractions thrown out that way. call me selfish if you will, but i prefer more money in my pocket rather than less.

There are other reasons why you should fight it. But the OP clearly admitted guilt. Exactly how do you defend against something that you knowingly did? Lie?

Handicap parking is for people with disabilities. It's not a loading zone...

[mystery]

There are other reasons why you should fight it. But the OP clearly admitted guilt. Exactly how do you defend against something that you knowingly did? Lie?

Handicap parking is for people with disabilities. It's not a loading zone...

Just like in a criminal case, you do not have to take the stand to defend yourself. You can challenge the evidence and credibility of the prosecution during cross-examination.

You do not and should not lie!

Also, it is possible a deal can be made with the prosecutor before trial (e.g. lowering fine or pleading to a lesser charge...)

[Ebola]

so let me get this straight
if you did the crime, you should do the time?


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That's the general idea.