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Prosciutto vs Jamon Iberico

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unshavenyak wrote:
Oct 30th, 2018 1:25 pm
I'm going to Barcelona next week. I wish there was a way to do a RFD Jamon Iberico group buy.
Take a few hour out of a day and visit Mercado Boqueria n La Rambla. Fabulous jamon stands and so much more. We went there several times during our stay....great place for tapas,so much variety. http://www.boqueria.barcelona/home
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Take a few hour out of a day and visit Mercado Boqueria n La Rambla. Fabulous jamon stands and so much more. We went there several times during our stay....great place for tapas,so much variety. http://www.boqueria.barcelona/home
The jamon stands are ok but that market is a huge tourist trap with low quality tapas and restaurants with poor food and prices. It's like Lundy's lane in Niagara falls

Good to take a walk around, but eat in there and be disappointed with food, prices and service
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unshavenyak wrote:
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I'm going to Barcelona next week. I wish there was a way to do a RFD Jamon Iberico group buy.
I wished we could bring back ham at all
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Gboard2 wrote:
Oct 31st, 2018 7:53 am
The jamon stands are ok but that market is a huge tourist trap with low quality tapas and restaurants with poor food and prices. It's like Lundy's lane in Niagara falls

Good to take a walk around, but eat in there and be disappointed with food, prices and service
Interesting thing about tourist traps....they are what they are because people go to them.
In the case of the Mercado Boqureia, I disagree, for the simple reason that it could not and would not survive off tourism. It is a huge market that lives off the patronage of local people. There is so much fresh fruits, vegetables, meats, breads, pastries and fish and cheeses etc that tourists just do not buy or use. It is a local market that, of course, is open to everyone, including tourists.
As for the eateries within, I have found it very difficult to get a seat because it is always full of locals enjoying the offerings.
Lastly, nothing like Lundy's Lane at all.
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Pete_Coach wrote:
Oct 31st, 2018 7:48 am
Take a few hour out of a day and visit Mercado Boqueria n La Rambla. Fabulous jamon stands and so much more. We went there several times during our stay....great place for tapas,so much variety. http://www.boqueria.barcelona/home
Thanks for the recommendation. I've been to the Boqueria in the past, but never for jamon.
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Oct 31st, 2018 8:15 am
Thanks for the recommendation. I've been to the Boqueria in the past, but never for jamon.
It is a great place to see and try and buy local offerings.
While I understood what Gboard2 posted, I find generalizations of "tourist traps" dumbfounding. If lots of people go to a place, does that make it a tourist trap? You need to ask why people go there?
In Barcelona is Sagrada Familia a tourist trap or a church? Thousands of locals go there too. Millions go there and buy the stuff they sell there?
In Barcelona is Park Güell a tribute to a great architect or a tourist trap? Lots of locals there too.
Point is, tourist trap has a negative connotation yet, it is a place that is visited by locals and tourists alike, so is it a :trap" or just something to be seen?
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Problem with prosciutto is most places trim the fat off 🤯. WTF, leave that beauty on there.
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Nov 4th, 2018 5:00 pm
Problem with prosciutto is most places trim the fat off 🤯. WTF, leave that beauty on there.
Never seen that.
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Pete_Coach wrote:
Nov 5th, 2018 8:35 am
Never seen that.
You luckier than me then. This is what it should look like
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vs what you get most times
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Nov 5th, 2018 4:12 pm
You luckier than me then. This is what it should look like prosciutto.di_.cinta_.senese.jpgvs what you get most times20130812-ham-tasting-di-palo.jpg
Not where I buy it. Never seen it like that. You sure it is even prosciutto?
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Pete_Coach wrote:
Nov 5th, 2018 4:33 pm
Not where I buy it. Never seen it like that. You sure it is even prosciutto?
It's prosciutto. They carve it back to much thinking it's "just fat". Even local "Italian deli" does it. I just have to visit my parents more often to get some home made but I don't really eat enough.
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Curing hams was likely brought to Italy from China. (maybe via Marco Polo like pasta?)

China has producing cured hams from black pigs for a long time. The two famous regions are Xuanwei (Yunnan) and Jinhua (Zhejiang). Don't tell anyone otherwise it'll get as expensive as jamon and prosciutto.
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Oct 26th, 2018 10:41 am
I'm italian so Proshoot all the way. I LOVE prosciutto, its the best ever. who ever invented that stuff is a genious
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I see what you're getting at, but I think there is a bit of a flaw in your comparison of the Boquiera to the other tourist attractions. Generally Sagrada Familia (debatable as it is still not complete!) and Park Guell only have so much ability to change and so whether or not more tourists visit will not impact its intrinsic value. The markets are another thing. The vendors and what they sell and the quality and price of things tend to change when more tourists visit. Unfortunately many vendors, realize that transactions with tourists are often a one-time game, and so they do not care and quality diminishes and price goes up.

Boquiera while not exactly Lundy's Lane, is a far cry from where any local would shop in Barcelona. My ex (from almost 10 yrs ago) said no locals ever shop there, and back then was mostly British tourists. She wasn't sure why that particular market was the one tourists gravitated towards, except for its proximity to Las Ramblas. I liken it to St. Lawrence Market in Toronto. Seen SLM rated as one of the top markets in world, but I lived about a block and half away and rarely shopped there - and on the rare occasions I did go there it was 90% tourists. Perhaps you like prosciutto better because you've never tried the really good jamon, which is generally not sold in Boquiera.

Even Santa Caterina market which has become so touristy in recent years still is a much better option. L'Abaceria is probably my favourite.

I think another generally is not to romanticize these places, which make for great pictures and sometimes tales, and judge them by whether or not locals shop at them. I would love to know what a survey of how many people shop at St. Lawrence Market on a regular basis would look like. ( Most of the people in my condo near there would be going up the elevator with Metro grocery bags)
Pete_Coach wrote:
Oct 31st, 2018 9:30 am
It is a great place to see and try and buy local offerings.
While I understood what Gboard2 posted, I find generalizations of "tourist traps" dumbfounding. If lots of people go to a place, does that make it a tourist trap? You need to ask why people go there?
In Barcelona is Sagrada Familia a tourist trap or a church? Thousands of locals go there too. Millions go there and buy the stuff they sell there?
In Barcelona is Park Güell a tribute to a great architect or a tourist trap? Lots of locals there too.
Point is, tourist trap has a negative connotation yet, it is a place that is visited by locals and tourists alike, so is it a :trap" or just something to be seen?
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Nov 6th, 2018 3:29 am
I see what you're getting at, but I think there is a bit of a flaw in your comparison of the Boquiera to the other tourist attractions. Generally Sagrada Familia (debatable as it is still not complete!) and Park Guell only have so much ability to change and so whether or not more tourists visit will not impact its intrinsic value. The markets are another thing. The vendors and what they sell and the quality and price of things tend to change when more tourists visit. Unfortunately many vendors, realize that transactions with tourists are often a one-time game, and so they do not care and quality diminishes and price goes up.

Boquiera while not exactly Lundy's Lane, is a far cry from where any local would shop in Barcelona. My ex (from almost 10 yrs ago) said no locals ever shop there, and back then was mostly British tourists. She wasn't sure why that particular market was the one tourists gravitated towards, except for its proximity to Las Ramblas. I liken it to St. Lawrence Market in Toronto. Seen SLM rated as one of the top markets in world, but I lived about a block and half away and rarely shopped there - and on the rare occasions I did go there it was 90% tourists. Perhaps you like prosciutto better because you've never tried the really good jamon, which is generally not sold in Boquiera.

Even Santa Caterina market which has become so touristy in recent years still is a much better option. L'Abaceria is probably my favourite.

I think another generally is not to romanticize these places, which make for great pictures and sometimes tales, and judge them by whether or not locals shop at them. I would love to know what a survey of how many people shop at St. Lawrence Market on a regular basis would look like. ( Most of the people in my condo near there would be going up the elevator with Metro grocery bags)
My point was a tourist "trap" is only that because people wish to see it, regardless of what attraction it is. My response was to another poster claiming Mercado Boqueria was nothing but a tourist trap.
As for locals not shopping in the Boquiera, does your wife or you actually think that tourists are the source of income and livelihood for this huge place year round? Do you think in any way that it is the tourist that buy the fresh vegetables, fresh chicken, nuts, fresh meats, the offal, the cheeses, the fish and so on that are sold in this market? I don't think so. Tourists from cruise ships or staying in he hotels don't make those purchases especially in the winter. The market is open year round to serve the local public. As an aside, or maybe to prove my point, Mercat de la Boqueria, has been a market for a very long time. Long before tourists visiting La Rambla area . It opened in the 1200's and has been a continual market since....not living off tourist dollars.
L'Abaceria and Santa Caterina are also fresh food markets. What makes them better? They have the same products....oh wait, they serve the local market area too. Point is, all 3 have tourists visit them but all 3 are there and serve the local people fresh foods. Boqueria may get more tourists but that is purely because of location. Oh and we liked Mercat Abaceria too but we were only there because we were wandering around the Gracia area and got hungry.
As for liking prosciutto vs jamon, I have been all over Italy as well as Spain so, I do know the difference in the countries and a number of their products .I am very familiar with jamon, just as I am with prosciutto and prefer prosciutto. Oh and there are several stalls selling jamons in the Boqueria, as well as tapas spots that sold it.
Lastly, St Lawrence Market? Don't know it , never heard of it and why would I go there? You don't even go and you live nearby...is it tourists that keep this "one of the top markets in world, "open? I think not. Again, do tourist buy fresh vegetables? Meats? Fish? Cheeses? Pastas? and so on? No, it is the locals that take the products home and cook them, not tourists that take it to their hotels or stuff them in their suitcases and drive or fly home.
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So I did not know the spanish call their prosciutto Jambon. I was watching that spanish dude on TLN who goes around to places in spain and mexico and he was eating some of that prosciutto but the name on the ham leg said Jambon or something like that (you guys on here call it Jambon Ibierico or something like that) so yeah its the same type of ham, but in spain I guess they call it something other than prosciutto. Even here in Canada when I go to the deli, they carry Prosciutto, but not that Jambon stuff. so I guess Prosciutto is the winner here.
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