Province to pay for fertility services??

[oceania]

PLEASE give the whole thread a read or at least the first page for those of you considering posting sarcastic remarks or illogical comparisons and analogies, it's already been done. Please use the rest of your brain so you can add something to new the discussion.
http://www.thestar.com/news/ontario/article/686868

I'm totally against unnatural conception to begin with as I think it's nature's way of saying you're not supposed to conceive (but I wouldn't want to take away anyone's right to do it) but to expect tax payers to foot the bill for such an expensive procedure is outrageous!

If anything, the adopting should become more accessible for willing and able parent(s). The world is already over-populated with natural resources being depleted, why add to this problem particularly with unnatural conceptions often result in multiple births?

[asdfvcx]

I'm totally against unnatural conception to begin with as I think it's nature's way of saying you're not supposed to conceive

I'm totally against cataract removal as I think it's nature's way of saying you're not supposed to see...

[Impossibles]

http://www.thestar.com/news/ontario/article/686868

I'm totally against unnatural conception to begin with as I think it's nature's way of saying you're not supposed to conceive (but I wouldn't want to take away anyone's right to do it) but to expect tax payers to foot the bill for such an expensive procedure is outrageous!

If anything, the adopting should become more accessible for willing and able parent(s). The world is already over-populated with natural resources being depleted, why add to this problem particularly with unnatural conceptions often result in multiple births?

On behalf of everybody who has had trouble conceiving or knows somebody who has, I resent everything you said. Its insulting to deny somebody the chance at having children when there is medical technology to help them.

And the world may be overpopulated, but rich countries actually have declining birth rates.

[nalababe]

http://www.thestar.com/news/ontario/article/686868

I'm totally against unnatural conception to begin with as I think it's nature's way of saying you're not supposed to conceive (but I wouldn't want to take away anyone's right to do it) but to expect tax payers to foot the bill for such an expensive procedure is outrageous!

If anything, the adopting should become more accessible for willing and able parent(s). The world is already over-populated with natural resources being depleted, why add to this problem particularly with unnatural conceptions often result in multiple births?

Because the reason we exist (or any creature exists) is to reproduce. It is probably one of the strongest needs/desires a person will ever have. There is nothing on earth that compares to holding your own little baby.

There are many reasons why some people cannot have children...medical, stress, accidents. That cost is actually not all that much. Far less than organ transplant (nature said they should die, right?), giving birth in a hospital (home with a midwife should be the norm), of course, any stay of more than one week in the hospital has a greater cost...let's let all those people die too...it was nature's desire.

There are not enough babies to adopt...are you suggesting that we enourage all the young women to have more babies to fill the need. Kind of Handmaids Tale of you...

[oceania]

My intention was not to offend anyone but I'm entitled to my opinion whether it be politically correct or not, just as you are to yours.

Regardless, public money shouldn't be spent on someone's desires to have a child when they're unable to naturally conceive.

[amz155]

http://www.thestar.com/news/ontario/article/686868

I'm totally against unnatural conception to begin with as I think it's nature's way of saying you're not supposed to conceive (but I wouldn't want to take away anyone's right to do it) but to expect tax payers to foot the bill for such an expensive procedure is outrageous!

If anything, the adopting should become more accessible for willing and able parent(s). The world is already over-populated with natural resources being depleted, why add to this problem particularly with unnatural conceptions often result in multiple births?

+1. I agree and I'm glad you said it.

What the world doesn't need is an increase in population.

And if its not in the cards for a woman and man to conceive and they want to fart around with the message nature is sending them, then THEY should pay for it, not taxpayers! Especially not taxpayers who choose to be childless...why the heck should I foot the bill?

[oceania]

BTW I refuse to respond to absurd replies that make ridiculous comparisons, accusations or having to resort to putting "words in my mouth".

[nalababe]

My intention was not to offend anyone but I'm entitled to my opinion whether it be politically correct or not, just as you are to yours.

Regardless, public money shouldn't be spent on someone's desires to have a child when they're unable to naturally conceive.

Nor should public money be paid for any elective surgery...damn, we'd have no hockey players left.

[amz155]

Because the reason we exist (or any creature exists) is to reproduce.

Don't animals reproduce to ensure survival of their species? To ensure their genes keep on living? I'm pretty sure that if all the people who couldn't conceive, didn't receive artifical means of conception, that the human population would survive just fine in terms of numbers.....

Anyhow, let those who want to artificaily conceive, pay for it themselves.

[nalababe]

Don't animals reproduce to ensure survival of their species? To ensure their genes keep on living? I'm pretty sure that if all the people who couldn't conceive, didn't receive artifical means of conception, that the human population would survive just fine in terms of numbers.....

Anyhow, let those who want to artificaily conceive, pay for it themselves.

Let those who need surgery (or any medical care) do it themselves...that's the way the animals do it...and they survive just fine. Let's let all the physically challenged or mentally challenged die as well...that is what would happen in nature...

See we have evolved though...it allows us to think, understand and have compassion....

[oceania]

Nalababe your comparison is illogical. In case you haven't realized your comparing surgery to already existing humans beings who are potentially at risk of dying to that of humans who are not at risk and opting to have children. If you cannot see this difference, then I think you have made my point for me.

Our society is so focussed on life and living but on the quality of life. The western world lives in a protective bubble, far from reality.

[nalababe]

Nalababe your comparison is illogical. In case you haven't realized your comparing surgery to already existing humans beings who are potentially at risk of dying to that of humans who are not at risk and opting to have children. If you cannot see this difference, then I think you have made my point for me.

Our society is so focussed on life and living but on the quality of life. The western world lives in a protective bubble, far from reality.

Actually no, you are mistaken.

The inability to conceive is a medical condition (and there are many reasons). You are worried about not paying for one medical condition, yet, freely are willing to benefit from the treatment of any other medical intervention...why, because it could impact you...or you could see how it could impact you directly.

We don't live away from reality here...the inability to have children brings a reality to one of the five basic elements for the very definition of life.

We are great parents...not perfect, but I can honest say that there is no way that any parent loves their kids any more (maybe equal ). If it were not for medical intervention we received at such a clinic, we would not have our son. Should we have allowed him not to be carried to term? Based on nature, he would have not implanted properly in the uterus and would never have existed. The world would have missed out on one of the most compassionate, empathetic people I have ever known (and he is six)....if we were to put odds on the future career (based on our family and friends): 50% say Doctor/Vet, the other 50% say Minister.

[spf1971]

My intention was not to offend anyone but I'm entitled to my opinion whether it be politically correct or not, just as you are to yours.

Regardless, public money shouldn't be spent on someone's desires to have a child when they're unable to naturally conceive.

I agree but it should be extended further. Public money shouldn't be spent on someone's desire to live when they're unable to live naturally.

[pupazzo]

Lol some of these women don't understand that they can't have kids because nature is trying to tell them not to reproduce. Then they get in vitro and give birth to kids with all kinds of problems

[45ED]

Wow, that's arrogant and, well, just plain stupid..

He's only saying that because he doesn't have the balls to walk into a fertility clinic and say that to all the potential mothers and fathers there.

It is way too easy for you naysayers to write those words of yours because you're behind your computer screens.