Raw/Selvage Denim Thread

[Epiclemon]

In your opinion, what are the best raw demin brands for slim fit? I really don't like skinny, super skinny or bootcut

[iAmSofaKing]

Here's an update of my camo's - they've just been washed

Nice, good look.

How much would you say it stretches? Im on the fence between getting a size 34 (35 waist) or size 36 (37 waist) for skinny guys. Mind you im a 36 waist for Levi's 510 and lately i had to wear belts as its sort of sagging..

[ThaChingster]

Nice, good look.

How much would you say it stretches? Im on the fence between getting a size 34 (35 waist) or size 36 (37 waist) for skinny guys. Mind you im a 36 waist for Levi's 510 and lately i had to wear belts as its sort of sagging..

Thanks.
It usually stretches one inch, but YMMV Depending on how you wear your jeans
a lot of people have been asking me about sizing with 510s, and in going to be honest. I have no experience with them.
Just measure your true waist in inches, and size down 1 from that to find a size to start from

[Firebolt]

In your opinion, what are the best raw demin brands for slim fit? I really don't like skinny, super skinny or bootcut

If you can dish out the money I would suggest you get some samurai, otherwise you can get on a budget some n&f slim guys which is a very straight cut.

[Unreachable]

In your opinion, what are the best raw demin brands for slim fit? I really don't like skinny, super skinny or bootcut

APC New Standards

[Jimboski]

When I wash my jeans, Do I use the washer or do I manual wash?

For drying I leave them out somewhere right?

EDIT : I see whiskers on my jeans so I'm guessing they're RAW? LOL.

[ThaChingster]

When I wash my jeans, Do I use the washer or do I manual wash?

For drying I leave them out somewhere right?

EDIT : I see whiskers on my jeans so I'm guessing they're RAW? LOL.

Not all raw jeans fade - raw jeans just fade FASTER

A lot of people manual wash to control the indigo loss on certain parts of the jeans
and yes, leave them hanging somewhere

[Jimboski]

Not all raw jeans fade - raw jeans just fade FASTER

A lot of people manual wash to control the indigo loss on certain parts of the jeans
and yes, leave them hanging somewhere

Thanked..

I have a dumb question.. Do all jeans fade regardless of being Raw or not?

[Firebolt]

Thanked..

I have a dumb question.. Do all jeans fade regardless of being Raw or not?

Yep all jeans fade, because cotton is not naturally blue or whatever colour your jeans are dyed. The dye will leave you jeans during wear regardless of how much it has been predistresed.

Not all raw jeans fade - raw jeans just fade FASTER

Actually they don't necessarily fade faster. Fading really depends on the method of dying the jeans and the type of dye used. Natural indigo usually will fade slower than other types of dye because of the different properties of the dye. They can be washed more and still retain it's nice contrast while others will fade quickly overall with washes. Also overdyed denim will fade slower because of the overlaying of dye on the thread.

[ThaChingster]

Actually they don't necessarily fade faster. Fading really depends on the method of dying the jeans and the type of dye used. Natural indigo usually will fade slower than other types of dye because of the different properties of the dye. They can be washed more and still retain it's nice contrast while others will fade quickly overall with washes. Also overdyed denim will fade slower because of the overlaying of dye on the thread.

Typically... raw denim fades faster because the starch used in most raw denim shapes and defines the creases more, and creates the deeper peaks and valleys. The higher peaks in the creases give it higher abrasion against surfaces, which remove the indigo faster. Not all raw denim fades faster than normal pre-distressed denim, yes... but I believe most of them do fade faster

[Epiclemon]

Ohh what about TR, RR, diesel and guess? Are they considered raw denim too?

[Jimboski]

Ohh what about TR, RR, diesel and guess? Are they considered raw denim too?

I don't think they're RAW but all jeans fade just some slower then the other!

Firebolt or Chingster you guys should do a write up regarding jeans and fading.. What jeans are raw and what not etc.. Unless you haz duh wiki link to gib us so we read It!

[ThaChingster]

Ohh what about TR, RR, diesel and guess? Are they considered raw denim too?

Most TRs, R&R, diesel, and guess jeans are pre-distressed.
The designers go for the old, weathered look that old, beat-up raw denim has
Nonetheless, there are a few pairs of raw selvedge designer jeans, but they are much more expensive than normal distressed jeans due to the way the material is made (shuttle loom) A lot less fabric can be made per day compared to modern mass-production machines
Here is a pair of raw's from TR - not sure if it's selvedge

[ThaChingster]

What jeans are raw and what not etc.. Unless you haz duh wiki link to gib us so we read It!

Most of the time, raw denim is 100% cotton
I stress most, because some nudie dry denim is 2% lycra

Also, typically raw denim feels thicker than normal denim, because the material used is of a higher quality
Raw denim can also be stiffer, due to the starch that manufacturers use in the jeans

Most importantly, if it has artificial fades - it means it's not raw


But once you get into raw denim, you can instantly tell what new jeans are raw and what aren't
From the slub, texture, and brand

Pair of freshly soaked raws

[ThaChingster]

Selvedge (selvage) or self edge

Usually indicative of higher quality denim, as having selvedge on the outseam usually means that the denim is of higher quality, because it was made on a shuttle loom.
As stated before, shuttle looms make their denim a LOT slower than modern machines, some can only make 10metres of fabric a day
This means that workers put more care and effort into their denim
care = quality

The selvage (US English) or selvedge (British English) is the term for the self-finished edges of fabric. The selvages keep the fabric from unraveling or fraying. The selvages are a result of how the fabric is created. In woven fabric, selvages are the edges that run parallel to the warp (the longitudinal threads that run the entire length of the fabric), and are created by the weft thread looping back at the end of each row. In knitted fabrics, selvages are the unfinished yet structurally sound edges that were neither cast on nor bound off.

^ from wikipedia