READ ME: Do Not Deal With "WaTTz"

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For a guy who has a lot of transactions, all being hard drives, you'd think he'd know a thing or two about the technology..

even his posts seem a little arrogant though, so its no surprise.

Gotta love newb sellers!

The onus is on the seller. I think anytime you put an item up for sale, you need to have it ready to go. It's akin to selling a product you do not have possession of which is against the policy. I would also add that the buyer had unusually high expectations for someone to simply drop what they're doing and meet up. However, had they pre-arranged a meet for that day in advance and the seller over estimated or mismanaged his time in preparing the drive, then I can see why the buyer would be miffed.

... And I don't know what you're talking about with hanging up. If you called my second line ending with 0960, then my sister may have hung up - I have no knowledge about this since we use that as our fax line. My sister hangs up immediately so as not to receive ads on our fax.
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If that's the case, why did you give it out?

I don't know why Watts has been banned because you're clearly in the wrong here, amigo.

[giant237]

Exactly.

If it's not ready for sale, then don't post it.

100% support

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You know what Rooster.. If you weren't such a dumb jerk in the first place then I would have waited. Who the hell calls up a buyer and says like some crack dealer... "Are you the guy that wants to buy a hard drive?" Not to mention he hung up on me 5 times after I tried to call back 45mins later to get an update. Talk about unprofessionalism. Sorry I tried to rush you so you could delete the porn and crap from your drive. Like I could care less about your worthless information.

Next time you should be prepared to sell the goods b/c people aren't gonna wait around and screw up their plans b/c you had to reformat your HD... JACKASS

HAHAHA... i agree with you. It's like posting a car for sale, but the motor is removed and has to be put back in.

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The onus is on the seller. I think anytime you put an item up for sale, you need to have it ready to go. It's akin to selling a product you do not have possession of which is against the policy. I would also add that the buyer had unusually high expectations for someone to simply drop what they're doing and meet up. However, had they pre-arranged a meet for that day in advance and the seller over estimated or mismanaged his time in preparing the drive, then I can see why the buyer would be miffed.



If that's the case, why did you give it out?

I don't know why Watts has been banned because you're clearly in the wrong here, amigo.

i guess the moderators must favor the one with the most posts... I don't see how WaTTz is at fault here.

[Oversized Rooster]

i guess the moderators must favor the one with the most posts... I don't see how WaTTz is at fault here.

I don't think it has anything to do with the amount of posts a member has. There have been members with over 1000 points banned or suspended. He got banned (at least temporarily) because he posted some offensive comments in my for-sale thread. That was a personal attack.

I would not have been banned under any condition because I had the HD in my possession. If I was selling something I didn't have, then that's a fair case. Anyway, the HD has been sold on eBay the other day.

I still fail to see how I was wrong. There is NOTHING wrong with posting an item for sale which you might still be using. If you look at the forums right now, go check out and see people selling especially video cards which are still in their systems. That's no different than a non-formatted HD.

Just an HD takes an hour or two to prep, while a video card takes 10 minutes. The point here is that the buyer expected to just drop in out of the blue without warning me. And furthermore, this was AFTER we agreed on waiting about an hour for the HD to format. What am I supposed to do when the guy agrees to wait one hour, but then starts pushing me at 30 minutes? I don't wanna pull the power on a formatting HD. The guy will come back to me later asking me why the HD is dead.

Anyway, I am no angel. I have had my share of sour deals, but I do everything in my power to undo any wrongs. I offer full refunds to most stuff I sell. My item descriptions are always accurate, and if they are not, I simply buy the item back from the buyer. I even offer a 7-day warranty from myself for larger items (like this HD). Furthermore, I often drive completely out of my way to meet people up closer to where they live or work. I am at LEAST an average trader, but I like to think myself as honest and consistent. If you don't like me, don't trade with me. But I think I've done nothing to get onto anybody's list of bad traders. Try trading with me - see what the outcome is. I challenge you.

[Jon Lai]

I don't think it has anything to do with the amount of posts a member has. There have been members with over 1000 points banned or suspended. He got banned (at least temporarily) because he posted some offensive comments in my for-sale thread. That was a personal attack.

I would not have been banned under any condition because I had the HD in my possession. If I was selling something I didn't have, then that's a fair case. Anyway, the HD has been sold on eBay the other day.

I still fail to see how I was wrong. There is NOTHING wrong with posting an item for sale which you might still be using. If you look at the forums right now, go check out and see people selling especially video cards which are still in their systems. That's no different than a non-formatted HD.

Just an HD takes an hour or two to prep, while a video card takes 10 minutes. The point here is that the buyer expected to just drop in out of the blue without warning me. And furthermore, this was AFTER we agreed on waiting about an hour for the HD to format. What am I supposed to do when the guy agrees to wait one hour, but then starts pushing me at 30 minutes? I don't wanna pull the power on a formatting HD. The guy will come back to me later asking me why the HD is dead.

Anyway, I am no angel. I have had my share of sour deals, but I do everything in my power to undo any wrongs. I offer full refunds to most stuff I sell. My item descriptions are always accurate, and if they are not, I simply buy the item back from the buyer. I even offer a 7-day warranty from myself for larger items (like this HD). Furthermore, I often drive completely out of my way to meet people up closer to where they live or work. I am at LEAST an average trader, but I like to think myself as honest and consistent. If you don't like me, don't trade with me. But I think I've done nothing to get onto anybody's list of bad traders. Try trading with me - see what the outcome is. I challenge you.

Well, from our limited knowledge about your case, it seems like the last PM you received was a mutual agreement that the deal would occur the next day, no? If so, you could have had sufficient time to format, wouldn't you say so? Correct me if I'm wrong.

I think it's bascially a misunderstanding between the two parties. From what I understand, the buyer seems to be somewhat free to decides he will spend the next day in Toronto, so asks the seller to call him up when he's ready. The seller decides to call the buyer the next day during the afternoon and realize that he's already there.

For the buyer, you should learn to provide at least 24 hour notice for the seller as well as yourself. I always like to confirm date and time of meet so that I know the other party knows what and when everything is happening.

[tadabomb]

lot of kids and teens on forums. respected? should we? hmm..

[mcg]

i guess the moderators must favor the one with the most posts... I don't see how WaTTz is at fault here.

A user with the most posts does not mean he or she is always right. It all depends on the situation and evidence given regarding the transaction.

In response to the OP's very first post on the situation:
I also agree that prior to the meetup, the "hard drive" should be ready for sale. If the seller doesn't have it ready, well, just tell the buyer that it isn't before making a commitment to meet. He's coming out from Mississauga, at least give him a break. And don't call people "children", just because you forced him to wait an hour for your lack of preparation. It makes you one too, basically.

As for Wattz, perhaps he should have been nicer to you, I don't know how he was like when on the phone to you, but things could have gone a lot better from what I am seeing.

lot of kids and teens on forums. respected? should we? hmm..

You make useless comments, haha. And of course there are kids and teens here!