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Recording MPAC home Inspection

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Recording MPAC home Inspection

I'm contesting my valuation and think I have a strong case with pretty solid evidence to back up my case. Part of my disclosure shows how poor a job they did with the properties they used to support their valuation. I had photos of many of the homes featured by real estate agents for the property sale; they clearly showed renovations and features that differed from their data base. I don't think it went over well, the quality of evidence I had. The want to to inspect my place, which I'm OK with. Wanting to keep my "advantage", I agreed but would not accept their limited inspection times, telling them I wanted it done end of day Friday only and that I would videotape the process. Their reply: "For the purposes of Property Assessment, MPAC does not consent to the audio/video recording of the Property Inspection. However, if you prefer please feel free to have someone else join you at our Inspection." Of course, they will take photos of their own during the inspection. Considering everything seems recorded for "accuracy", from customer service calls, to police with body cams, to grocery aisles, I don't see how they can legitimately object. What if I had cameras installed within the house...they would be recorded. I'd like to use their objection against them. Thoughts?
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I guess you can refuse to accept their terms, but then they won't reassess.
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You dont need to consent to recording in a non-public place.
Gbill2004: Thanks but I'll just smell the couch before/if I buy it.

jonnyb: I go in there like PICASSO and toss the glue everywhere, I don't care what house I'm on.
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It's inside your own home, you can do what you want. Worst case, the inspector will leave and your house will not be re-assessed.

Personally, I would never let MPAC in - and didn't when they wanted to 'drop by for a visit' following the purchase of my last house.
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We're at the stage where MPAC and I are supposed to try come to an agreeable valuation, an actual hearing will take place if we can't agree. At the hearing, its on MPAC to make the case for the value they've assigned. I've gone down this road before and always won. I'm of the mind nobody can dictate what I do in my own house. I'm ok to go to the hearing with the additional information that MPAC will not do an inspection with someone recording their inspection. We are recorded whenever we go shopping in a mall or visit a hospital, yes?
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You have to option of not going into a hospital or mall. They are exercising that option.
Gbill2004: Thanks but I'll just smell the couch before/if I buy it.

jonnyb: I go in there like PICASSO and toss the glue everywhere, I don't care what house I'm on.
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Just put cameras up in your house and don't tell them. Or wear your own body cam.

What do you mean by "nobody can dictate what I do in my own house"? What is MPAC trying to force you to do?

What are you worried about them doing that you need to record? Or are you just trying to be difficult for them? I can't see that helping your case at a hearing/tribunal.
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I’m confused. MPAC assessed your property, you are obviously disputing their evaluation.

Are you trying to get your property tax lowered or are you complaining that they devalued your property and you want to pay more tax?
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lightbulb wrote:
Jan 11th, 2018 9:09 pm
We're at the stage where MPAC and I are supposed to try come to an agreeable valuation, an actual hearing will take place if we can't agree. At the hearing, its on MPAC to make the case for the value they've assigned. I've gone down this road before and always won. I'm of the mind nobody can dictate what I do in my own house. I'm ok to go to the hearing with the additional information that MPAC will not do an inspection with someone recording their inspection. We are recorded whenever we go shopping in a mall or visit a hospital, yes?
If it ends up going to a hearing, MPAC will bring up that you refused inspection.
The board will still order you to allow MPAC inspection if you want to move any further in the hearing process.
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edvc520 wrote:
Jan 12th, 2018 8:45 am
If it ends up going to a hearing, MPAC will bring up that you refused inspection.
The board will still order you to allow MPAC inspection if you want to move any further in the hearing process.
Not exactly true, I'm OK with inspection; they don't want me to record them at work. In our everyday life the option to choose to not being recorded is unrealistic. To "Jerico" who thinks it's an option not to go to places that record you- really? how do you function without getting gas, walking on downtown streets, shopping in any supermarket or corner store; cameras are "rolling" with or without your knowledge. I believe MPAC doesn't want the possible error or omission in their site report to be used against them. I simply want to ensure they don't selectively highlight attributes without noting deficiencies that affect property value.
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lightbulb wrote:
Jan 12th, 2018 5:52 pm
Not exactly true, I'm OK with inspection; they don't want me to record them at work. In our everyday life the option to choose to not being recorded is unrealistic. To "Jerico" who thinks it's an option not to go to places that record you- really? how do you function without getting gas, walking on downtown streets, shopping in any supermarket or corner store; cameras are "rolling" with or without your knowledge. I believe MPAC doesn't want the possible error or omission in their site report to be used against them. I simply want to ensure they don't selectively highlight attributes without noting deficiencies that affect property value.
So watch what they take pictures of and take conflicting pictures. Its called evidence for and against.

Recording them work is just insane. Why is this the second or third thread today about people trying to record people doing their jobs? Just because you CAN record on your phone doesnt mean you SHOULD.
Gbill2004: Thanks but I'll just smell the couch before/if I buy it.

jonnyb: I go in there like PICASSO and toss the glue everywhere, I don't care what house I'm on.
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Jerico wrote:
Jan 12th, 2018 8:50 pm
So watch what they take pictures of and take conflicting pictures. Its called evidence for and against.

Recording them work is just insane. Why is this the second or third thread today about people trying to record people doing their jobs? Just because you CAN record on your phone doesnt mean you SHOULD.
a billion times this. take pics of everything they take pics of. this recording stuff makes me so glad my job is in an office and not going to weirdos houses.
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Just curious, how big of a value discrepancy do you think there is?

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