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kenchau wrote:
Mar 8th, 2017 11:26 pm
Uh no, they always go to JV early to start the game, but the result is inconsistent, hence the frustration. Whether he is a three-quarter man or a four-quarter man, they go to him early. Sometimes he is super passive and indecisive, and other times it's like he's got an agenda and is super confident and decisive (like tonight).
In most games they ONLY go to JV with any consistency in the 1st quarter and then as the game progresses they ignore him more and more REGARDLESS of how well he's doing. We even saw that tonight where he had a monster first half and then he played only a few minutes of the 3rd and had one FGA before Casey benched him. As for JV being passive and/or indecisive, well maybe if he were involved in the game regularly and got consistent minutes he would actually develop more confidence and be more decisive and be more consistently good.

We give Demar all the time in the world to become 'the man', so why shouldn't we give JV the same amount of development time to be a big force for this team on a consistent basis?
The problem is, where is that intensity against the Kaminsky's, Maker's, Gortat's et al right from opening tipoff. It is not the same. It's great that you want to show that you can take on the all-stars, but show that you can constantly dominate the non-stars.
Again why not play JV more and let him gain that experience so that he can improve rather than saying 'He doesn't matchup well with XYZ player and therefore he needs to sit' or if he makes a few mistakes 'Welp he sucks tonight, time to sit' instead of letting him try and play through it. That's not how you develop your young guys to be better players. It would be like Babcock never allowing Matthews to take important faceoffs because he's a rookie and will often get burned. How will he ever learn if he doesn't get placed in that position? In all the years JV has been on the team, Casey rarely gave JV meaningful minutes in crunch time and then now people complain that he isn't capable of playing when the game is on the line?? He showed tonight that he can do it so let him continue to prove it.
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MaximDude wrote:
Mar 8th, 2017 11:43 pm
This isn't about JV having a good game or bad game. Its about JV getting a chance to prove himself and also to say to people who kept saying that because the Raps are 'guard oriented' that he couldn't fit in their offense when tonight's game clearly showed that he can easily do so if only Casey and the Raps would make an effort to do so game in and game out. That's the frustrating thing about Casey and the Raps. Tonight's game is what JV could probably do regularly for this team if they would actually consistently keep him involved instead of ignoring him and playing stupid, selfish brick laying basketball.

JV had a perfect game. This is not the regular JV.

The real JV is not consistent. He has alot of brain farts defensively, his offense is mediocre. And he is a little soft. Ibaka and PJ tucker did alot of gooning tonight thats why he was able to move around like an actual big.

He shouldnt need Ibaka and tucker to play big. It should be natural. This is something you are not understanding. You think casey just needs to give him a chance and he will tear it up every night and carry the scoring load like Demar. Face With Tears Of JoyFace With Tears Of JoyFace With Tears Of Joy

If you think Casey is not giving him a "chance" to prove himself then you must not be watching the same raptors everyone has been watching for the last few years. Face With Tears Of JoyFace With Tears Of JoyFace With Tears Of Joy

The guy cant drop 20+ ppg like DD. He needs to handle the paint first before he can handle a serious scoring load.
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kevindurant1 wrote:
Mar 9th, 2017 1:36 am
JV had a perfect game. This is not the regular JV.
This.

It's as if JV said to himself, "Everybody thinks I am going to get killed by Cousins and AD, and I am not going to let it happen."

Too bad he can't get fired up for the likes of Spencer Hawes.
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makaturing wrote:
Mar 9th, 2017 3:25 am
This.

It's as if JV said to himself, "Everybody thinks I am going to get killed by Cousins and AD, and I am not going to let it happen."

Too bad he can't get fired up for the likes of Spencer Hawes.
That's what I was saying and he just doesn't get it. He keeps thinking, JV needs a chance. Like hello, when he can play a flawless game against all-stars, he should be able to make mistakes and still dominate non-stars.

If JV is making so many mistakes that he, instead gets dominated by the non-stars, then no additional playing time can help that. He needs to check his attitude and bring the same mentality.
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JV is like how Joey Graham used to be.... Inconsistent..Bad more than good but showed flashes of what he can do..Just Inconsistent

Still remember bad Joey and good Joey....Of course he was bad more than good...Just like JV lol
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Doubleshot wrote:
Mar 9th, 2017 7:49 am
JV is like how Joey Graham used to be.... Inconsistent..Bad more than good but showed flashes of what he can do..Just Inconsistent

Still remember bad Joey and good Joey....Of course he was bad more than good...Just like JV lol
Yea you need to be consistent. Look at Demar's defense. Consistently terrible.
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makaturing wrote:
Mar 8th, 2017 10:54 pm
Maxim has plenty to say when JV has a good game, but he disappears when JV sucks.

Not to mention his conspicuous abscence when DD was carrying the team and filling it up.

I guess we can look forward to his renewed verbosity until the next time JV gets destroyed by his man.

Things never change, do they? <hee!>
It's like clockwork. JV had a few rough games ... no posts for like 4 or 5 days. He finally has a good showing and the "copy and paste" posts are on like wildfire.

It's actually an interesting exercise in human behavior when you think about it.
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rems wrote:
Mar 9th, 2017 8:29 am
Yea you need to be consistent. Look at Demar's defense. Consistently terrible.
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JV has gotten plenty of chances to prove himself and like others have mentioned he tends to crap the bed more than having these "perfect" games.
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Androidmarshmellow wrote:
Mar 9th, 2017 10:30 am
do you watch any games?
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Seriously. Why aren't people harping more on his terrible defense? No matter what you think of his offense. Or the play of JV. Or whoever else on the Raptors for that matter, If you care about the team winning, this should be addressed. Watch what Derozan does on one of the first plays of the game.
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rems wrote:
Mar 9th, 2017 9:42 am
Do you think DD plays (even passable) defense?
His defense it's .. meh. I'd say a little below average.

But how is that didetent than a ton of all star players across different sports? Those who giveth the most, taketh away the most.

In all sports, there are different types of players. Offensive specialists. Defensive specialists. Well rounded players. It takes all kinds to make a team.

Should DD play better defense? Sure. That'd be awesome. But that's not his game. He's there to score points. Let him do that. Do you piss and moan about star defensive players who only score 8pts a game?
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We have a big tiebreaker game against Atlanta coming up next.

The Raptors have secured every tiebreaker so far. All of them were crucial, and the Raptors did not fail. This is the last one that counts. It's a must-win game.

If JV plays like he did last night, it's in the bag. Will he be fired up enough for Howard?

Cory will handle that poofter with the hair stripe, whatsis name? Schroeder? Atlanta blew it when they gave the team to him.

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Androidmarshmellow wrote:
Mar 9th, 2017 10:30 am
do you watch any games?
Don't mind rems. He's no different than maximdude. Shows up only when JV has a good game, and gone otherwise. Except his is always a blatant, what about DeMar rebuttal, which is not a rebuttal at all.

He never actually addresses any of the points or criticisms of JV, just points to DD. It's like political arguments. People always just point to the previous opposition PM, Premier, etc. etc. and point to a specific event, when none of that actually changes the shortcomings of the person currently being discussed.

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