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Screw maxim, screw rems, we have a key game coming up.
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Its funny how these same ppl that love demar are the ones that were sheet talking him 3plus years ago pre lowry trade...

Anyways, you guys talk about how its not derozans job to play D? Thats some bs if u ask me. Look at a similar star who doesnt play d and cant win xhampionships like that...carmello anthony. All the top sg/sf offensive players have all been elite d to win anything.

The thing about jv is, once he does crap on D, he is instantly benched and not given a chance to play his offense and work on his d.

Sure demar is your star...your pretty inefficient star before this year... but look at the lopsided offensive opportunities between the two..

Games under 13 fg this year... derozan 1...jv 47...

At least give this 57%fg guy a chance compared to always isoing for a career 44% fg shooter with below average defence

Also, you say jv is so inconsistent but what about derozan? Last 9 games, 5 of them he has shot under 40%...on the season he has played 57 games and 19 are under 40 percent. Thats one third of his games. Pretty inconsistent if you ask me
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kenchau wrote:
Mar 9th, 2017 11:28 am
Don't mind rems. He's no different than maximdude. Shows up only when JV has a good game, and gone otherwise. Except his is always a blatant, what about DeMar rebuttal, which is not a rebuttal at all.

He never actually addresses any of the points or criticisms of JV, just points to DD. It's like political arguments. People always just point to the previous opposition PM, Premier, etc. etc. and point to a specific event, when none of that actually changes the shortcomings of the person currently being discussed.
Sorry I don't come on as often. It's not only when DD has a bad game. He's had poor games prior to yesterday and you didn't see me posting. JV was pretty good vs MIL for the limited minutes he played and I didnt post anything. I come on when I have some free time.
Again, please tell me where I didn't acknowledge any of JV's criticisms. It's you who fails to criticize DD.
I'm a fan of basketball and I have a view of how it should be played and my opinions of good and bad basketball.
DD's inefficiency to me is bad. JV's high % shots are good. Yes he struggles defensively which is a criticism of his game. But those same people (like yourself), give Demar a free pass in that sense when his defense is MUCH worse than JV's.
You say that's why JV doesn't get consistent minutes or crunch time play. But by that same token, shouldn't DD also be benched? Especially when his shots aren't falling? That's what I've been saying this whole time but to you DD can do no wrong and JV can do no right. So it's a bit hypocritical of you to post that I don't respond to your points when you fail to acknowledge mine.

And I agree with Maxim regarding JV. Those criticisms people have of his game cannot be fixed unless he gets consistent minutes. If you're always looking over your shoulder to see if you'll get pulled because of a mistake, you play with a sense of apprehension. That's not good for any player. DD was allowed that. So let's see if JV can do the same. If he can't then he can't and maybe he should be traded. But DD couldn't become the player he is currently (good and bad) without those opportunities.

So JV's P&R defense is pretty terrible. See I can say something negative about his game. Can you do the same for Demar?
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Bad coaching. He's got it out for JV and this is not good for the team heading towards playoffs. Same thing happened to James Johnson last year.
As he keeps saying over and over Kyle and Demar, Kyle and Demar, Kyle and Demar. At end of a half or game on the line...it's ISO Demar time.
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I'm not saying DD 'shouldnt' play better D. I'm saying .. he's a star offensive player that hasn't shown the ability in several seasons. He's not going to suddenly morph into a defensive stud. So let it go.

Anywho. I'm done with this convo. It's like trying to explain the smell of the color 9.

Onward: the next game is indeed pretty important. All things being equal, they could still move up a couple of spots. Tough? Absolutely. But they can do it if they buckle down. Hopefully the teams ahead of them misstep a bit.
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LucifersGhost wrote:
Mar 9th, 2017 2:54 pm
I'm not saying DD 'shouldnt' play better D. I'm saying .. he's a star offensive player that hasn't shown the ability in several seasons. He's not going to suddenly morph into a defensive stud. So let it go.

Anywho. I'm done with this convo. It's like trying to explain the smell of the color 9.

Onward: the next game is indeed pretty important. All things being equal, they could still move up a couple of spots. Tough? Absolutely. But they can do it if they buckle down. Hopefully the teams ahead of them misstep a bit.
Seems Dwight and Schroeder are now having some issues. Funny how the coach chose to bench Schroeder because of that, when issues with teammates clearly follows Dwight around the past few teams. Furthermore, if Schroeder is supposed to be their PG of the future, you'd think they would have benched Dwight instead. It'll be interesting to see if tensions remain, which would benefit the Raptors.
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kenchau wrote:
Mar 9th, 2017 4:57 pm
Seems Dwight and Schroeder are now having some issues. Funny how the coach chose to bench Schroeder because of that, when issues with teammates clearly follows Dwight around the past few teams. Furthermore, if Schroeder is supposed to be their PG of the future, you'd think they would have benched Dwight instead. It'll be interesting to see if tensions remain, which would benefit the Raptors.
Schroeder was benched because he chose to continue chirping with Howard and stopped guarding his guy, Curry, who went on to sink a wide open 3. They just signed Jose Calderon so it will be interesting to see how much he is used. Despite all this the Hawks will be a very tough 1st round matchup, well coached, we'll need Lowry hitting 3s against them to have a chance to advance.
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gr8dlr wrote:
Mar 9th, 2017 2:33 pm
Bad coaching. He's got it out for JV and this is not good for the team heading towards playoffs. Same thing happened to James Johnson last year.
As he keeps saying over and over Kyle and Demar, Kyle and Demar, Kyle and Demar. At end of a half or game on the line...it's ISO Demar time.
ISO demar has nothing to do with JV. ISO demar is one play out 48 minutes and it only happens in very close games. Most of the time DD makes the right plays. JV doesnt. Plain and simple.

JV has never been able to secure the paint consistently. He is a big. Thats like a PG not learning how to pass. Dude is a legit 7 footer and have a long reach. He still hasnt figured out how to finish strong. I like how he gets fouls. Thats a progress but sometimes he does fade aways, hooks and stupid shots where he could just post up and bully his man.

The guy has a problem keeping his position. Thats why Casey benches him. He gets so bad that he has to put in Poeltl.

He is only 24 though. I hope he works on his game like lowry/dd work on their game. At this rate, Poeltl will outplay him. Face With Tears Of JoyFace With Tears Of JoyFace With Tears Of Joy
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kenchau wrote:
Mar 9th, 2017 4:57 pm
Seems Dwight and Schroeder are now having some issues. Funny how the coach chose to bench Schroeder because of that, when issues with teammates clearly follows Dwight around the past few teams. Furthermore, if Schroeder is supposed to be their PG of the future, you'd think they would have benched Dwight instead. It'll be interesting to see if tensions remain, which would benefit the Raptors.
Dwight is a cancer and has proven it time and time again.

Cant get along with Kobe
Cant get along with Harden

and now Schroeder? LOL
He played with 2 bonafied superstars and still couldnt put his ego aside and play his role on those teams.

Dude is so overrated.
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Fabfive wrote:
Mar 10th, 2017 8:36 am
Dwight is a cancer and has proven it time and time again.

Cant get along with Kobe
Cant get along with Harden

and now Schroeder? LOL
He played with 2 bonafied superstars and still couldnt put his ego aside and play his role on those teams.

Dude is so overrated.
+2 on Howard

Plus he hasn't been the same after his back injury and other ailments...

Dood is a shell of his former self....Superman no more...
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He is still dangerous. Ignore him at your peril.
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rems wrote:
Mar 9th, 2017 1:15 pm
Sorry I don't come on as often. It's not only when DD has a bad game. He's had poor games prior to yesterday and you didn't see me posting. JV was pretty good vs MIL for the limited minutes he played and I didnt post anything. I come on when I have some free time.
Again, please tell me where I didn't acknowledge any of JV's criticisms. It's you who fails to criticize DD.
I'm a fan of basketball and I have a view of how it should be played and my opinions of good and bad basketball.
DD's inefficiency to me is bad. JV's high % shots are good. Yes he struggles defensively which is a criticism of his game. But those same people (like yourself), give Demar a free pass in that sense when his defense is MUCH worse than JV's.
You say that's why JV doesn't get consistent minutes or crunch time play. But by that same token, shouldn't DD also be benched? Especially when his shots aren't falling? That's what I've been saying this whole time but to you DD can do no wrong and JV can do no right. So it's a bit hypocritical of you to post that I don't respond to your points when you fail to acknowledge mine.

And I agree with Maxim regarding JV. Those criticisms people have of his game cannot be fixed unless he gets consistent minutes. If you're always looking over your shoulder to see if you'll get pulled because of a mistake, you play with a sense of apprehension. That's not good for any player. DD was allowed that. So let's see if JV can do the same. If he can't then he can't and maybe he should be traded. But DD couldn't become the player he is currently (good and bad) without those opportunities.

So JV's P&R defense is pretty terrible. See I can say something negative about his game. Can you do the same for Demar?
Maybe you don't understand how a forum works. If you talk about DeMar, and I wanted to respond to something you've said about DeMar, I am free to reply to your post and talk about DeMar. If I don't have anything to say about DeMar, then I don't reply to your post.

But you, you reply to a post about JV, and talk about DeMar with no mention of JV whatsoever. Like why would you even reply to a post about JV - just post a new thing about DeMar. That would be like me replying to your post about DeMar and talking about Carroll with no mention of DeMar whatsoever. It wouldn't make sense. Get a clue.

There doesn't have to only be one conversation happening in the thread. Few people are talking about JV, a couple of others are talking about DeMar, a couple of others might be talking about upcoming matches - all different conversations happening in the same thread. You want to talk about DeMar, talk about DeMar, but don't bring him into a different conversation that is going on specifically about JV.

post: Raptors need to beat Hawks
sample rems reply: DeMar sucks
kenchau troll reply: Carroll has a 40% FG percentage

post: JV played horrible D
sample rems reply: DeMar shot 44%
kenchau troll reply: Delon scored 0 points in 10 minutes

etc...etc... :facepalm:
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That 5th foul on Ibaka was vintage Ed Malloy that killed every momentum

Can say all we want about the performances but one thing completely stands out, and from previous games as well. Raptors BADLY need 3pt shooting right now even with Lowry back.
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danny3526 wrote:
Mar 10th, 2017 10:58 pm
That 5th foul on Ibaka was vintage Ed Malloy that killed every momentum

Can say all we want about the performances but one thing completely stands out, and from previous games as well. Raptors BADLY need 3pt shooting right now even with Lowry back.
Yeah. But the 6th foul was silly also, acting job by Ilyasova. Refs started to lock the game down for Atlanta at the 3-4 minute remaining mark.

In today's NBA, with so many teams making the three-point shot a big part of their offense, when you struggle, it's tough to win. During the Raptors rough stretch, it was a lack of three point efficiency.

Even the Warriors with the best three point shooters (with an 's') lose when they shoot the three poorly as a team. Second straight loss tonight and in both losses, less than 30% from three.
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