I use the same stats all the time, and don't combine them in any way. These are raw results of the team. If I had known these stats existed a couple years ago, I would have appreciated Kobe more in 2005-6 because they show how important he was despite my claims of the Lakers not getting any more points whether he shoots or someone else does.gilboman wrote: ↑Mar 11th, 2008 3:13 pmonce i read that..i'm sorry, i just can't take you seriously or anything you post seriously. stats are stats, you can combine them in an endless amount of ways to show a desired outcome. but if the conclusion from your stats is Moon is the 2nd most important player on our team then...
If you want to make some argument against it, go ahead. Don't cop out by making some half-assed attempt at childishly insulting me.
The fact is that through nearly 3,000 minutes of play, the Raptors are much better with Moon on the floor. Only Bosh makes a bigger difference. When Moon was resting, the team outscored its opponents by an average of 1 point per 100 possessions. When he was on the floor, they outscored them by 8. Again, other than Bosh, nobody come close to that kind of impact on the Raptors.
Want to see the list of players in the NBA with the greatest impact between being on the floor and on the bench?
http://basketballvalue.com/topplayers.p ... order=DESC
At the top you have Nash, Jamison, LeBron, Dirk, Dwight, and Kobe. Keep going and there are no flukes anywhere on that list. Maybe some underappreciated guys, but that's it.
What is your definition of valuable? To me it's very straightforward. If you're there the team does better than when you're not. If your absence doesn't affect the team, in the end how important are you really?
Calderon is the superficially the obvious choice for second most valuable, but his presence really makes the defense worse too, so overall we don't gain much. Ford is the opposite (obviously), but to a smaller degree. IMO Calderon's defense is fixable to some degree so he's still worth signing.