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airpods wrote:
Jul 20th, 2018 6:21 pm
Sounds like you’re the hater

Kawhi is not a superstar. That’s why Boston and LA were unwilling to give up their youngsters for him. Only Masai was dumb enough to trade our best player, and all star, for the rental of another all star.
LoL wut? A top 5 player is not a franchise/super star ?

We traded a top 30 player and got back a top 5

You hit your head?
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Gboard2 wrote:
Jul 20th, 2018 9:43 pm
LoL wut? A top 5 player is not a franchise/super star ?

We traded a top 30 player and got back a top 5

You hit your head?
A player that averages 16ppg for his career is top 5? Lmao
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airpods wrote:
Jul 20th, 2018 11:46 pm
A player that averages 16ppg for his career is top 5? Lmao
hey magic johnson is considered a top 5 player in his time and he was only averaging a career 19ppg.
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dyords wrote:
Jul 20th, 2018 11:56 pm
hey magic johnson is considered a top 5 player in his time and he was only averaging a career 19ppg.
Yes, a point guard who will always be remembered as one of the best ball distributers to ever play was a better scorer than Kawhi.
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airpods wrote:
Jul 20th, 2018 11:46 pm
A player that averages 16ppg for his career is top 5? Lmao
Yes, he's that good on both ends and efficient. that's why

We got a top 5 player finally ...we just had to give up a top 30 player who played no D and didn't play in playoffs
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airpods wrote:
Jul 20th, 2018 11:46 pm
A player that averages 16ppg for his career is top 5? Lmao
This is part of Leonard's resume:

NBA champion (2014)
NBA Finals MVP (2014)
2× NBA All-Star (2016, 2017)
2× All-NBA First Team (2016, 2017)
2× NBA Defensive Player of the Year (2015, 2016)
3× NBA All-Defensive First Team (2015–2017)
NBA All-Defensive Second Team (2014)
NBA All-Rookie First Team (2012)
NBA steals leader (2015)

This is part of Demar's resume:

4× NBA All-Star (2014, 2016–2018)
All-NBA Second Team (2018)
All-NBA Third Team (2017)

You tell me which one looks more impressive. Face With Tears Of Joy And this doesn't even include playoff stats where Leonard's is great and Demar's is horrid. Bottom line is Leonard played so well that he won ACTUAL NBA AWARDS including in an area where we need help the most (defense) while Demar played so well that he got what amounts to participation medals that mean almost nothing.
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airpods wrote:
Jul 20th, 2018 3:22 pm
Demar was our primary scorer. Kawhi might be a better shooter on wide open looks, but he’s not as good as Demar in creating his own shots.
But again in the playoffs, how much worse will Kawhi be compared to the terrible offensive and defensive performance of Demar? Kawhi has upped his game in the playoffs. Sure Demar might be better at creating his own shot but he's worse at making them.
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danny3526 wrote:
Jul 20th, 2018 6:31 pm
Crazy how now everyone is pinning Masai as the villain here, all because he actually made a move to benefit the greater good which is winning. Good organizations have these types of GMs who's not afraid of getting their hands dirty, but all of a sudden when people are calling for improvements, Masai is getting crucified because of loyalty LOL

The only loyalty in sports is winning



What exactly did Masai lie to Derozan about??? Masai openly said after the season that everyone and everything was on the table.

All he said to Derozan in Vegas was about the direction of the team. He didn't say that Derozan was not going to be traded. It's Derozan's fault for believing that.

Derozan is acting out of anger and frustration due to his misunderstanding.
Oh you were there listening to the conversation? Good to know.
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DeRozan only plays as effective as a decent supporting player like J.J. Reddick when the playoffs start. DeFrozen has a career 15.1 Playoff PER (Player Efficiency Rating).
Not even close to All-Star level territory.

Kawhi Leonard has put up two playoff runs that surpass prime Kobe Bryant's best single year playoff runs.
Kobe Bryant's career best year in the playoffs was when he put up a 26.8 PER.

Kawhi Leonard managed a 28.6 and 31.5 PER in his last two playoff runs and his career playoff PER is 21.4.
Only 11 different players in the history of the NBA have achieved a 30+ PER average during a single year playoff run and Kevin Durant, Stephen Curry, Kobe Bryant are not any of them.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/le ... son_p.html

rems wrote:
Jul 21st, 2018 9:29 am
But again in the playoffs, how much worse will Kawhi be compared to the terrible offensive and defensive performance of Demar? Kawhi has upped his game in the playoffs. Sure Demar might be better at creating his own shot but he's worse at making them.
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MaximDude wrote:
Jul 21st, 2018 5:25 am
This is part of Leonard's resume:

NBA champion (2014)
NBA Finals MVP (2014)
2× NBA All-Star (2016, 2017)
2× All-NBA First Team (2016, 2017)
2× NBA Defensive Player of the Year (2015, 2016)
3× NBA All-Defensive First Team (2015–2017)
NBA All-Defensive Second Team (2014)
NBA All-Rookie First Team (2012)
NBA steals leader (2015)

This is part of Demar's resume:

4× NBA All-Star (2014, 2016–2018)
All-NBA Second Team (2018)
All-NBA Third Team (2017)

You tell me which one looks more impressive. Face With Tears Of Joy And this doesn't even include playoff stats where Leonard's is great and Demar's is horrid. Bottom line is Leonard played so well that he won ACTUAL NBA AWARDS including in an area where we need help the most (defense) while Demar played so well that he got what amounts to participation medals that mean almost nothing.
Here’s Dennis Rodman’s resume. Was he at any point in his career considered a “top 5 player”?

5× NBA champion (1989–1990, 1996–1998)
2× NBA All-Star (1990, 1992)
2× All-NBA Third Team (1992, 1995)
2× NBA Defensive Player of the Year (1990, 1991)
7× NBA All-Defensive First Team (1989–1993, 1995, 1996)
NBA All-Defensive Second Team (1994)
7× NBA rebounding champion (1992–1998)
No. 10 retired by the Detroit Pistons
ABA champion (2004)

I didn’t say Demar was a top 5 player either. What I said is that we could have done better on a trade than a 1 year rental of Kawhi.
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rems wrote:
Jul 21st, 2018 9:29 am
But again in the playoffs, how much worse will Kawhi be compared to the terrible offensive and defensive performance of Demar? Kawhi has upped his game in the playoffs. Sure Demar might be better at creating his own shot but he's worse at making them.
How well will Kawhi be in the playoffs outside of the Spurs’ system? Without the benefit of playing with Duncan, Ginobili and Parker?

With the expectations squarely on his, and only his, shoulders?
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notenoughsleep wrote:
Jul 20th, 2018 11:01 pm
And I think he's smiling too???
I don't remember seeing Kawhi smile EVER before this!
Clear sign he's signing a new 5 year deal here next summer!
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danny3526 wrote:
Jul 20th, 2018 7:53 pm
He looks nervous already. Guess he realizes that they’ve put all their hopes squarely on him. He’s not used to this level of spotlight. This is going to be a disaster

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