Safe to vaccinate infants?

[shoppingmama]

Just went to the the co-sleeping page and found out shoppingmama did everything I have said, extending breast feeding, co-sleeping. I am just re-inventing the wheel. Shoppingmama, you are number 1 , and you are so cool, unlike me that try to warn everybody.

This debate can go on forever and I'm just not going there. My intense research was 10 years ago. I was active in the vaccine awareness community for years and followed the whole attachment parenting ways before I knew what I was doing had a name I consulted with parents all over the world who had a child died from vaccines and kids who will forever be vaccine damaged. It was so heartbreaking I had to back away. Vaccines are a billion dollar industry, the vast majority of studies are backed by the manufacturers, the doctors who approve vaccines are stakeholders in the vaccine companies. It never ends. There is no chance in hell that we can ever discover that vaccines do all this damage, can you imagine the implications??? I will bow out because this topic get too emotional because I have seen more vaccine horror stories than any of you will see in a life time...my decision was made years ago and I never once waivered even after exposure to some of these diseases. We all love our kids, research both sides, make an educated decision for yourself.

[gordholio]

My understanding is that if you don't get the required vaccinations, your child will not be allowed into the public school system. They require proof of it, I'm told (maybe Ontario only?).

Shoppingmama, what is your experience with this? Did you home school?

We weren't entirely comfortable with vaccines, either, but did them because of the school issue, and for the 'greater good'. Forgoing them is essentially a selfish decision, your child will still likely be safe from these horrible diseases, but only because every OTHER kid is getting vaccinated for them. If everyone stopped getting them, there would very likely be a resurgence of these old diseases that have been contained for decades. Vaccines are heavily tested, and are quite safe. There is a risk in everything we do, the risk with vaccines is there, but miniscule.

As far as I know, children do not have to have vaccinations to attend school in Ontario.
I believe that the schools will make it seem like they do, but if you press the issue, they don't, which is good for freedom of choice IMHO.
If I had young children, they would not get any vaccinations.
I don't even get the flu vaccine.

[Diamondog]

This debate can go on forever and I'm just not going there. My intense research was 10 years ago. I was active in the vaccine awareness community for years and followed the whole attachment parenting ways before I knew what I was doing had a name I consulted with parents all over the world who had a child died from vaccines and kids who will forever be vaccine damaged. It was so heartbreaking I had to back away. Vaccines are a billion dollar industry, the vast majority of studies are backed by the manufacturers, the doctors who approve vaccines are stakeholders in the vaccine companies. It never ends. There is no chance in hell that we can ever discover that vaccines do all this damage, can you imagine the implications??? I will bow out because this topic get too emotional because I have seen more vaccine horror stories than any of you will see in a life time...my decision was made years ago and I never once waivered even after exposure to some of these diseases. We all love our kids, research both sides, make an educated decision for yourself.

On the grand scale of things vacines help far more than they do damage...Yes it is one of the most tragic things if a child is killed or affected negatively in some way but just like anything there are a far MORE amount that it does good for than bad. I still stand by the theory children that do not get vaccinated are kept safe for the most part because of the children who do.

[getmail99]

I still stand by the theory children that do not get vaccinated are kept safe for the most part because of the children who do.

Parents that do not vaccine their children never use your theory.

According to your theory, the parents not vaccinate their children should keep quiet and convince other parents to vaccine so their children get protected. However, it is the other way around, the parents not vaccinate their children try to convince other parents not to vaccinate too .

If the vaccine really works, the parents of the vaccinated children should not care if the other people are vaccinated or not, they are always protected. They should not be so keen to convince other people to vaccine.

However, based on my explanation of your theory above, if the parents always convince other people to vaccine, they might be the ones who are actually not vaccinated and convince other people to vaccine to get protected .

Okay, this is a joke , no flame. LOL

[getmail99]

This debate can go on forever and I'm just not going there. My intense research was 10 years ago. I was active in the vaccine awareness community for years and followed the whole attachment parenting ways before I knew what I was doing had a name I consulted with parents all over the world who had a child died from vaccines and kids who will forever be vaccine damaged. It was so heartbreaking I had to back away. Vaccines are a billion dollar industry, the vast majority of studies are backed by the manufacturers, the doctors who approve vaccines are stakeholders in the vaccine companies. It never ends. There is no chance in hell that we can ever discover that vaccines do all this damage, can you imagine the implications??? I will bow out because this topic get too emotional because I have seen more vaccine horror stories than any of you will see in a life time...my decision was made years ago and I never once waivered even after exposure to some of these diseases. We all love our kids, research both sides, make an educated decision for yourself.

You are my idol . Probably I get too emotional in this, I should back away too. This debate never ends. I think we said enough. Thanks again, shoppingmama. With your encouragement, I will not be bullied by the doctors again.

[Diamondog]

Parents that do not vaccine their children never use your theory.

According to your theory, the parents not vaccinate their children should keep quiet and convince other parents to vaccine so their children get protected. However, it is the other way around, the parents not vaccinate their children try to convince other parents not to vaccinate too .

If the vaccine really works, the parents of the vaccinated children should not care if the other people are vaccinated or not, they are always protected. They should not be so keen to convince other people to vaccine.

However, based on my explanation of your theory above, if the parents always convince other people to vaccine, they might be the ones who are actually not vaccinated and convince other people to vaccine to get protected .

Okay, this is a joke , no flame. LOL

No I believe parents who don't vaccinate believe what they are doing is safe. I never said they use this theory....I don't believe they make the decision based on other parents getting their children vaccinated so they think there children will be safe....unvaccinated children are kept safe because of the children who do get vaccinated because there are far more that do and that is what keeps these diseases at bay. Think about it if ALL children weren't vaccinated how would the population be kept safe from these diseases? Would they just disappear from the planet?

[Venusia]

What is the % of kids who get vaccinated and develop a serious illness vs. % of kids not vaccinated who get a disease that could have been prevented by vaccination? If anyone has those numbers I'd be interested.

The daughter of a friend of mine developed bacterial meningitis when she was 2 years old. She nearly died, and was left deaf in both ears. She had no balance and had to relearn to walk and to stand up; luckily she got some sort of implant so now she "hears", but speaks in a slightly robotic way. Seeing what my friend went through, I got full shots for my daughters: the standard ones as well as the newer ones for chicken pox, prevnar, and menjugate.

I never get them a flu shot though, IMO it's not a serious enough illness to warrant vaccination.

[Xax]

This thread got pretty out of hand so I've stayed out of it for a while, but I'm curious to know what the benefit of a chicken pox vaccine is; I've never known chicken pox to be a serious threat.

[CSK'sMom]

Chicken pox complications (usually respiratory) can kill Xax. It doesn't happen very often but it does happen, especially for kids with weakened immune systems. Then if they get chicken pox there is the whole shingles issue. We've been through a 4 yr old with shingles and it wasn't fun. The shingles lasted almost 6 months the first time and 4 months again when she was 5.

[Xax]

Thanks CSK'sMom.

[Diamondog]

What is the % of kids who get vaccinated and develop a serious illness vs. % of kids not vaccinated who get a disease that could have been prevented by vaccination? If anyone has those numbers I'd be interested.

The daughter of a friend of mine developed bacterial meningitis when she was 2 years old. She nearly died, and was left deaf in both ears. She had no balance and had to relearn to walk and to stand up; luckily she got some sort of implant so now she "hears", but speaks in a slightly robotic way. Seeing what my friend went through, I got full shots for my daughters: the standard ones as well as the newer ones for chicken pox, prevnar, and menjugate.

I never get them a flu shot though, IMO it's not a serious enough illness to warrant vaccination.

Flu not serious enough? It kills the young and old!

[dulldull]

http://www.the-scientist.com/article/home/52982/

more reading on why vaccines are an important part of our health care arsenals.