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Salaried, employer wants to dock her for being told to go home 2 hrs early.

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Salaried, employer wants to dock her for being told to go home 2 hrs early.

Here's an one for you.

My daughter's office was moving. They normally work until 5pm, but they had to pack up their computers at 2pm on moving day (Friday).
The owner told all the office staff to leave at 3, since there were no computers.
One Monday, her manager says she has to make up the 2 hrs, but the rest of her colleagues do not.
She explained that the owner told her and her coworkers to go home, but her Manager said, " You report to me, you should have asked me first"

Now her manager says she will take 2 hrs off her pay unless she makes up the 2 hrs. She is salaried.
Can they dock her pay ?
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Ask the manager who he reports to. And no, they can't dock her pay if the owner told everyone to go home and she has witnesses to that effect. The manager can try, but one call to HR and that problem will go away.
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If this goes to court, of course it won't hold up since your daughter had no reason to question instructions from her company's highest management.

However, does she really want to fight her manager for 2 hours worth of time or pay? Why is this even a question? Put in the 2 hours as requested by the manager.
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owner > manager. tell the manager to eat a dick lol
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It's so naive how people actually believe that hr is on the low level employee side. Hr is only there to protect companies from impeding lawsuits
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Walch1102 wrote:
Dec 5th, 2017 4:55 pm
If this goes to court, of course it won't hold up since your daughter had no reason to question instructions from her company's highest management.

However, does she really want to fight her manager for 2 hours worth of time or pay? Why is this even a question? Put in the 2 hours as requested by the manager.
If the manager is really going to try to dock her pay for this, he is probably a dick and would try to run roughshod over the employees.
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If she's salaried the employer bought her year, not her hour. Manager can go pound sand.
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Would definitely bring this up with the owner.

But then, why continue working there for that manager anyways.
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Talk to the owner or HR if you want to stand up for yourself, but the consequence is you will be piss off your manager because for these 2 hours of work.

You weight it yourself.
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Just slack off for 2 hours at work.

WOULD SOMEBODY THINK OF THE CHILDREN!!!
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The question is not whether they can dock her pay. The question is whether your daughter wants to remain in the good books of her manager or not. The owner could very well restore back your daughter's pay for two hours if bought to his/her notice. But at what cost? If at the end of the day the immediate manager is pissed off, is the two hours of pay really worth it?
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I should have mentioned some other things...

1. Her Manager told her recently that she was making some mistakes, and that if she didn't change, she would fire her. She talked to the owner, he said
not to worry, she is not being fired. The next day her manager told her she had a talk with the owner and now she was on thin ice.
Two days later they fired someone, then told her not to worry, the manager was wrong to say she was on thin ice.


2. When they moved, they told her that , even though she is the most senior girl in the office, and has never had a bad review, she is sharing a cubicle
while the rest of the same level staff are getting offices.

3. Her Manager just told her that, contrary to previous notification, she now has to work between Christmas and New Years. Except for her,
the office is closed. She is to come in, on her own, for the 3 days. No supervisors, no coworkers, just her. She complained about it not being safe, they told her, oh
don't worry, we have 7 security cameras.

4. There is a huge staff turnover in the firm, since her manager started. 3/4 of the staff have left.

5. Hew manager just told her today they are not firing her, but that things are not working out.

So it really sounds like they jsut want her to quit, so they don't have to pay her severance.

5. She actually has another job lined up Jan 2, but is so broke, she can't afford to quit and lose a few weeks pay.
She isn't giving any notice because they have been complete A-holes to her.

So, should she file a complaint with Labour Board ?


Can you believe this a law firm ?
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mlc2000 wrote:
Dec 5th, 2017 10:04 pm
I should have mentioned some other things...

1. Her Manager told her recently that she was making some mistakes, and that if she didn't change, she would fire her. She talked to the owner, he said
not to worry, she is not being fired. The next day her manager told her she had a talk with the owner and now she was on thin ice.
Two days later they fired someone, then told her not to worry, the manager was wrong to say she was on thin ice.


2. When they moved, they told her that , even though she is the most senior girl in the office, and has never had a bad review, she is sharing a cubicle
while the rest of the same level staff are getting offices.

3. Her Manager just told her that, contrary to previous notification, she now has to work between Christmas and New Years. Except for her,
the office is closed. She is to come in, on her own, for the 3 days. No supervisors, no coworkers, just her. She complained about it not being safe, they told her, oh
don't worry, we have 7 security cameras.

4. There is a huge staff turnover in the firm, since her manager started. 3/4 of the staff have left.

5. Hew manager just told her today they are not firing her, but that things are not working out.

So it really sounds like they jsut want her to quit, so they don't have to pay her severance.

5. She actually has another job lined up Jan 2, but is so broke, she can't afford to quit and lose a few weeks pay.
She isn't giving any notice because they have been complete A-holes to her.

So, should she file a complaint with Labour Board ?


Can you believe this a law firm ?
100% I can. My wife did her articles with a firm, and worked essentially worked 24 hrs, and then they expected her to do the day as well, IE work 9am to 9am, then stay til 5.
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Holystone wrote:
Dec 5th, 2017 9:21 pm
The question is not whether they can dock her pay. The question is whether your daughter wants to remain in the good books of her manager or not. The owner could very well restore back your daughter's pay for two hours if bought to his/her notice. But at what cost? If at the end of the day the immediate manager is pissed off, is the two hours of pay really worth it?
How many times has she stayed late without being paid for it? I am salaried and many times I stay late and don't claim anything.
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mlc2000 wrote:
Dec 5th, 2017 10:04 pm
I should have mentioned some other things...

1. Her Manager told her recently that she was making some mistakes, and that if she didn't change, she would fire her. She talked to the owner, he said
not to worry, she is not being fired. The next day her manager told her she had a talk with the owner and now she was on thin ice.
Two days later they fired someone, then told her not to worry, the manager was wrong to say she was on thin ice.


2. When they moved, they told her that , even though she is the most senior girl in the office, and has never had a bad review, she is sharing a cubicle
while the rest of the same level staff are getting offices.

3. Her Manager just told her that, contrary to previous notification, she now has to work between Christmas and New Years. Except for her,
the office is closed. She is to come in, on her own, for the 3 days. No supervisors, no coworkers, just her. She complained about it not being safe, they told her, oh
don't worry, we have 7 security cameras.

4. There is a huge staff turnover in the firm, since her manager started. 3/4 of the staff have left.

5. Hew manager just told her today they are not firing her, but that things are not working out.

So it really sounds like they jsut want her to quit, so they don't have to pay her severance.

5. She actually has another job lined up Jan 2, but is so broke, she can't afford to quit and lose a few weeks pay.
She isn't giving any notice because they have been complete A-holes to her.

So, should she file a complaint with Labour Board ?


Can you believe this a law firm ?
Assuming everything written is true, owner should fire the mgr. Amazing...

Anyway, good she has another job lined up. Just tough it out, only a few more weeks. Don't take crap from anyone.

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