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Newbie
Feb 26, 2017
1 posts
Hello,

Sorry to reply to this existing post. I struggled to find how to post a new post. I have SC situation. I am planning to take my last semester of my 2 year practical nurse program in the spring term may to Aug. However, my contract is scheduled for Sep to Dec 2017. Do you think it is possible that SC will agree to change dates. Please let me.

Thank you
Sr. Member
Aug 2, 2012
536 posts
192 upvotes
You will need to talk with your counsellor about this to see whether it will be possible to submit an amendment request. I couldn't give you an answer about whether it would be possible as I don't know the details of your contract start and end dates and whether your proposal will actually extend your period of study beyond two years.

Contact your counsellor - that's what s/he is there for!
Llugoyo wrote:
Feb 27th, 2017 10:44 pm
Hello,

Sorry to reply to this existing post. I struggled to find how to post a new post. I have SC situation. I am planning to take my last semester of my 2 year practical nurse program in the spring term may to Aug. However, my contract is scheduled for Sep to Dec 2017. Do you think it is possible that SC will agree to change dates. Please let me.

Thank you
Newbie
Mar 9, 2017
3 posts
Hi everyone:

I am newcomer here to see if anyone can answer my concerns.
I was laid off since 2014 in Alberta with MSc in engineering over 10 years ago. But as the oil market keep dropping, it is not possible to find related job. So I am thinking of go back to school. I learned from internet that there is second career in Ontario, but the information on http://www.secondcareerontario.com/web/ ... r/landing/ made me feel this is only for low end job training so I gave up and turned out taking the fast track program regarding data analysis in chang school of ryerson last year.
I started looking for job since last summer but still cannot find a job as no working experience. I would take more courses, so try investigating second career again. Then I was told second career doesn't apply to people who had training in last 2 years even paid yourself. So a broad thinking here is if I dont tell them I get trained can they find out? esp. when I ask the fast track program coordinator, she said the program is not covered by second career program. I dont understand why but anyway I am suffered from unemployment and mislead by the website information....
Hope anyone can give me a clue.
Newbie
Mar 9, 2017
3 posts
wondering how can I find the list of program that can be supported by second career?
in one way I was told it is not program limited as long as <2 years and not degree program
in another way this forum said it has to be NOC b &c, How can I know certain program is under NOC b or a?
Thanks,
Sr. Member
Aug 2, 2012
536 posts
192 upvotes
Replying to both of your posts together:

Second Career supports training of up to two years in occupations which are either NOC B or C and where there is labour market demand. There is no definitive list of programs that can be funded by Second Career; it isn't the program that counts (other than the two-year aspect), but the NOC of the occupational goal. So, for example, a program that appears to be NOC A (eg project management) could be funded if the intending student shows that project management is a necessary skill for a lower NOC occupation (eg executive office administrator, program assistant etc).

Anyone who has completed a skills training program in the last two years is not eligible for funding - unless it could be shown that, for example, the person cannot work in the field of training on medical grounds.

In your situation, it sounds as if you would not be eligible because you have had recent training. How hard have you tried to find work? Have you looked for help from government-funded agencies that help people look for work and connect with employers? Your new field of data analysis has labour market demand. Working with an agency can get you access to employer connections and government subsidies for employers to offset the costs of initial training for you in a new position.

Use this link to find an agency near you: http://feats.findhelp.ca/eng/search.html Counsellors at these agencies also help people to apply for Second Career funding, but I would reiterate that based on what you've said you are unlikely to be eligible. (It's also important to point out that beyond eligibility - laid off, no skills training in the last two years - you must also meet suitability criteria, which requires a full assessment by an employment counsellor).

abalex wrote:
Mar 10th, 2017 1:37 pm
wondering how can I find the list of program that can be supported by second career?
in one way I was told it is not program limited as long as <2 years and not degree program
in another way this forum said it has to be NOC b &c, How can I know certain program is under NOC b or a?
Thanks,
Newbie
Mar 9, 2017
3 posts
Thanks for your response. My previous job for sure is NOC A, so sounds like even if I applied earlier, it wont fit. People doesnt believe I will step down right? but all I want is changing the sector as my previous is oil gas. somehow I feel this data analysis is also noc A.
Thanks for the link.
Sr. Member
Aug 2, 2012
536 posts
192 upvotes
Your previous job being NOC A means you would have fewer points for suitability, but whether you would qualify depends on your situation and how you score under the other headings in the matrix. And, yes, data analysis is NOC A and I can't easily see a lower NOC occupation you could link it to.

Unfortunately, the way Second Career is structured, it won't work for everyone.

abalex wrote:
Mar 11th, 2017 3:37 am
Thanks for your response. My previous job for sure is NOC A, so sounds like even if I applied earlier, it wont fit. People doesnt believe I will step down right? but all I want is changing the sector as my previous is oil gas. somehow I feel this data analysis is also noc A.
Thanks for the link.
Newbie
Mar 14, 2017
1 posts
Gone through the thread as best as I could to try and find the right info, perhaps someone can clarify for me though. I'll highlight my situation first:
I'll be unemployed as of Friday, and will qualify for EI for the maximum regional amount of time. I've been searching for a job for the past 3 months and have had several interviews, but no offers so far.

Doing a self assessment, I probably would qualify for SC in June. I need the extra point in duration of unemployment to hit the threshold however, otherwise I'd try to go to school starting in May.

I've read about extensions of EI up to 104 weeks, but don't really understand what instances this is possible. What are the details of this when going back to school (With or without SC)?

Secondly, my girlfriend and I started living together in September, we both lived at home prior to this. Do her earnings affect any potential funding yet, and if not then when would they?
Sr. Member
Aug 2, 2012
536 posts
192 upvotes
Sorry to hear you're losing your job :(

Regarding qualification for Second Career, as long as the job loss is a layoff (or medical grounds for termination), then you should meet eligibility requirements, although a counsellor will need to validate a few other points with you also. With regard to suitability criteria, the Ministry advises us that duration of job-search can only be counted from the date of the layoff, so as of Friday you would have one point for this category (assuming you apply for a job on Friday).

That said: it is possible to start a program before you have the required 16 points, under exception criteria. Where someone will achieve 16 points over time as duration of unemployment and job-search continue, an exception can be requested to start a program before that threshold is reached. I would typically request this in the case of programs that only have a small number of start dates in a year (1-3) to avoid someone having to wait a considerable length of time just because they're a couple of points short by the earlier start date. If you're looking at a private career college with start dates practically every month, I'd be inclined to say there's no real grounds for an exception request, unless there are other factors involved (eg where someone can't work in their original field due to an injury or disability, for example).

I am not aware of any such extensions of EI, but I am not an EI specialist. I work with Second Career applicants. Under Second Career, your EI would continue until your benefit weeks end, and then if you qualify for Basic Living Allowance this would kick in. Regarding your living circumstances, the counsellor who helps you with your application would ask for your household income (yours plus girlfriend's - and if you have children, then also child tax benefit). This is used for two purposes: to determine any eligibility for basic living allowance, and to determine whether your household income is high enough to mean that you would need to make a contribution to the cost of your Second Career program.

Make an appointment to see an employment counsellor, and you'll be able to discuss your specific situation in more detail and make decisions on that basis.
Pfuzz6 wrote:
Mar 15th, 2017 2:45 pm
Gone through the thread as best as I could to try and find the right info, perhaps someone can clarify for me though. I'll highlight my situation first:
I'll be unemployed as of Friday, and will qualify for EI for the maximum regional amount of time. I've been searching for a job for the past 3 months and have had several interviews, but no offers so far.

Doing a self assessment, I probably would qualify for SC in June. I need the extra point in duration of unemployment to hit the threshold however, otherwise I'd try to go to school starting in May.

I've read about extensions of EI up to 104 weeks, but don't really understand what instances this is possible. What are the details of this when going back to school (With or without SC)?

Secondly, my girlfriend and I started living together in September, we both lived at home prior to this. Do her earnings affect any potential funding yet, and if not then when would they?
Newbie
Mar 18, 2017
2 posts
I was in the process of getting a start on second career when the person asked me to explain my whole employment history and then told me I would be scored out of 21 points of need 17 or 16. Needless to say I was disqualified before I could even qualify. Seems like the ppl that WANT TO WORK ARE PUT DOWN. Only then was I told u have to be on your previous job for quite a few yrs . I QUIT the auto industry and took up heating ventilation and air-conditioning got that license paid from my own pocket sold my car for tuition. And now every employer want atleast 5 yrs experience.

I think I will strive towards becoming a farmer. Hard work but it pays off .

Bouncing around from job to job through job agencies where companies are laying off ppl . HOW ARE YOU SUPPOSED TO QUALIFY. Came to canada in 1996 only been on ei once felt like you got a lot more back then . Today it's slim pickings .

Good luck to everyone. I hope we all find a way to achieve our goals without the help of this govt.
Sr. Member
Aug 2, 2012
536 posts
192 upvotes
To qualify, you need to have been laid off (or left a job on medical grounds, or have taken EI parental leave and not returned to work straight away at the end), AND score at least 16 points on the matrix. However, there are several ways to get to 16 points, and there is no requirement to have been in your previous job 'for quite a few years'. I have had clients approved for Second Career with under six months' experience in Canada.

When did you get your HVAC licence? If you have completed post-secondary education/training within the last two years, you're automatically ineligible. If it's more than two years ago, go to a different agency and try again - while I don't know how many points you might be able to get without knowing your full history, it's possible that you may have encountered someone who took a rather restrictive view of the matrix. The other thing to bear in mind is that the first two categories in the matrix are based on time: how long it's been since your layoff and how long since your layoff you've been job-searching. If you've only just been laid off, then your points will increase the longer your period of unemployment extends.

AgnelA239420 wrote:
Mar 19th, 2017 4:31 pm
I was in the process of getting a start on second career when the person asked me to explain my whole employment history and then told me I would be scored out of 21 points of need 17 or 16. Needless to say I was disqualified before I could even qualify. Seems like the ppl that WANT TO WORK ARE PUT DOWN. Only then was I told u have to be on your previous job for quite a few yrs . I QUIT the auto industry and took up heating ventilation and air-conditioning got that license paid from my own pocket sold my car for tuition. And now every employer want atleast 5 yrs experience.

I think I will strive towards becoming a farmer. Hard work but it pays off .

Bouncing around from job to job through job agencies where companies are laying off ppl . HOW ARE YOU SUPPOSED TO QUALIFY. Came to canada in 1996 only been on ei once felt like you got a lot more back then . Today it's slim pickings .

Good luck to everyone. I hope we all find a way to achieve our goals without the help of this govt.
Newbie
Mar 18, 2017
2 posts
Now why couldn't I get someone like you Thank you empcouns . And yes you said the best way a restrictive view of the matrix. But very hard to qualify due to their scoring system . As I result I ended opting for the employment office to help find me employment with a hvac company.

I think back on all those years since 1996 in ontario to 2000 to 2005 up to now . Greatfull for those good times .
Sr. Member
Aug 2, 2012
536 posts
192 upvotes
Unless you're in a location which only has one Employment Ontario-funded agency, you can certainly go elsewhere to be assessed again.

If you've found work in the meantime, you may still qualify IF: you're working under 20 hours per week on average, OR you're working at the lowest skill level (a NOC D occupation). If you were laid off from a NOC D occupation, you could still continue to qualify if your current 20+ hour/week job pays you less than your layoff position. (I know this probably sounds confusing, but Second Career is a whole series of 'if this, then that, and if not that, then maybe this' scenarios. Plus the matrix, which should be straightforward but appears not to be - I had a client once who qualified easily for funding, but had been scored by another agency at 11 rather than the 17 I assessed her at, and had been told that she was 'too young' for SC, where there is NO age criteria in the Ministry guidelines. This was one of those times where I just bit my tongue and smiled, at least in front of the client).
AgnelA239420 wrote:
Mar 20th, 2017 8:40 am
Now why couldn't I get someone like you Thank you empcouns . And yes you said the best way a restrictive view of the matrix. But very hard to qualify due to their scoring system . As I result I ended opting for the employment office to help find me employment with a hvac company.

I think back on all those years since 1996 in ontario to 2000 to 2005 up to now . Greatfull for those good times .
Newbie
Jul 11, 2016
2 posts
Hello! I've tried looking through many of the pages of this thread and did not find the answer so I'm asking here.


I applied to Second Career back in February, for program start date of May 2017 (one month's time). My counsellor said that they usually wait until right before school to let you know, so I understand that it will still be a few weeks. My question is: I know that you need to meet with Second Career a few times before – an orientation session, sign documents etc. so I am wondering when I will hear back from them for this. Will they send a letter in the mail or call? I typically do not answer unknown calls but I haven't received any voicemails from them either.

I wish the system was online like EI so you can go in and check messages but alas it isn't.

Thanks for the help!
Sr. Member
Aug 2, 2012
536 posts
192 upvotes
In my region, the Ministry estimates a processing time of 2-4 weeks for applications. That varies according to the time of year (and, of course, according to whatever else they have going on at the time). So it's not really a case of waiting until just before the program starts - it's more that they prioritise applications by start dates. If two applications came in on the same day, the one that would get processed first is the one with the earlier start date - that's what I've been told by staff in my area.

Also, typically you only need to go to the local Ministry office once, in order to sign your contract. Unless process varies on this in your area, of course!

Your counsellor would be able to find out whether your application is being looked at - she or he can go onto CaMS (the database), look you up and see whether there is a Second Career case on your file yet. It's also possible to see how far the Ministry staffer has got with the application.

This isn't an especially busy time of year for Second Career, so I'd expect that you should hear fairly soon. Good luck!
canadianquestion wrote:
Apr 4th, 2017 8:49 am
Hello! I've tried looking through many of the pages of this thread and did not find the answer so I'm asking here.


I applied to Second Career back in February, for program start date of May 2017 (one month's time). My counsellor said that they usually wait until right before school to let you know, so I understand that it will still be a few weeks. My question is: I know that you need to meet with Second Career a few times before – an orientation session, sign documents etc. so I am wondering when I will hear back from them for this. Will they send a letter in the mail or call? I typically do not answer unknown calls but I haven't received any voicemails from them either.

I wish the system was online like EI so you can go in and check messages but alas it isn't.

Thanks for the help!

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