Should the government get involved in stopping outsourcing?

[Metagame]

That Canadian jobs belong to Canadians and any company that outsources a job to a foreigner willing to work for a fraction of the cost should be punished? Or should the government stay out of it and let the free market work its magic?

Discuss.

[vaportrails]

Loaded question.

Government should use a mix of positive and negative re-enforcement.

Some tax breaks for staying domestic, as well as enhanced tariffs for offshoring.

[Hairball]

It's not black and white, Canada does reap some benefits of outsourcing (i.e. say US companies that have operations here hiring Canadians), while it's bad in some sectors like manufacturing which has been mostly destroyed over the last few decades with production in cheaper countries.

They should encourage jobs to be created in Canada through tax breaks, but even if they were to try to do so, it would be difficult to "stop" outsourcing as world economies are already so integrated, it would be going backwards.

[DearSummer]

That Canadian jobs belong to Canadians and any company that outsources a job to a foreigner willing to work for a fraction of the cost should be punished? Or should the government stay out of it and let the free market work its magic?

Discuss.

How does one punish a company that outsources? Without specifics, the question is pointless. Of course we would like to keep jobs here but what specifically could Canada do and how would that impact us?

[MrKap]

No... it's in the governments best interest for it's people to capitalize on the outsourcing of cheap labor.

The problem is, that it gives too much power to people who aren't interested in growing industry, but instead are interested turning it out.

I would rather have industries filled with people who earned their positions rather than filled with people lowballing the competition out of business. Might be a little idealist, but there should be balance somewhere.

Like subsidies or tax breaks for local employment versus outsourcing, and tariffs in place for those who do nothing but. That's why subsidies and tariffs exist.

[sylpherware]

Isn't OP all about free market?

[Hot Ice]

http://www.dirjournal.com/business-j...he-us-economy/

Now you can think if it's any different in Canada.

[Metagame]

Loaded question.

Government should use a mix of positive and negative re-enforcement.

Some tax breaks for staying domestic, as well as enhanced tariffs for offshoring.

For what justifiable reason should the government impose tariffs on companies who outsource? A company's primary goal is to maximize profits for its shareholders. If a company can find competent people who are willing to work for much less, why should they be punished for giving them the job?

I think there is an entitlement complex when it comes to many Canadians who defend this position. Jobs in Canada do not belong to Canadians, contrary to popular belief.

[vaportrails]

Isn't OP all about free market?

Yep, which is why in the next hour we're going to see the response to the argument the OP was baiting for in the first place.

Basically, here's the setup.

OP is hardcore pro-China, lives in Canada but doesn't like Canadians very much. He doesn't believe in inter-racial mixing, and by his own admission, he avoids people who aren't of his race. His erotic fantasy is to see China take over the West, and he figures if we outsource everything to China, they can destroy the middle class here at the expense of building a Chinese empire.

So, he believes everything should be outsourced for the good of the motherland, because that's the first step to the big PRC world takeover.

Homeboy is like a Chinese zionist.

[Metagame]

Isn't OP all about free market?

I am, just raising the points those on either side of the outsourcing argument.

[vaportrails]

For what justifiable reason should the government impose tariffs on companies who outsource? A company's primary goal is to maximize profits for its shareholders. If a company can find competent people who are willing to work for much less, why should they be punished for giving them the job?

I think there is an entitlement complex when it comes to many Canadians who defend this position. Jobs in Canada do not belong to Canadians, contrary to popular belief.

Uh huh.. Yep

I am, just raising the points those on either side of the outsourcing argument.

Otherwise known as trolling.

ALL HAIL CHAIRMAN MEOW!

[MrKap]

For what justifiable reason should the government impose tariffs on companies who outsource? A company's primary goal is to maximize profits for its shareholders. If a company can find competent people who are willing to work for much less, why should they be punished for giving them the job?

I think there is an entitlement complex when it comes to many Canadians who defend this position. Jobs in Canada do not belong to Canadians, contrary to popular belief.

Even Chinese Government takes a huge cut of money. If a company is going to dominate by draining all the money out of a market, the people losing that money deserve to have some security in place.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/21/bu...pagewanted=all


^ That's the wrong article, but it's still sort of relevant so I'll leave it in.

Here is another mentioning Chinese government "safeguarding" it's industry.

http://www.digitimes.com/news/a20120206PD205.html

[Metagame]

Otherwise known as trolling.

Perhaps you need to review the definition of "trolling"? How is it trolling to ask a few questions with the intention to spark a lively debate between those who are pro-outsourcing vs anti-outsourcing?

Also, your conspiracy theories are quite amusing.

[MrKap]

There is no real anti-outsourcing or pro-outsourcing position.

Nobody is going to ban it or make it mandatory.

If you want to be rich, you want the industry and neighborhoods in which you live to prosper. You won't do that by scraping bottom.

As in, everybody can't get rich by doing the same thing, they can only race to the bottom. Welcome to Canada, it's a welfare state.

[Mark77]

That Canadian jobs belong to Canadians and any company that outsources a job to a foreigner willing to work for a fraction of the cost should be punished? Or should the government stay out of it and let the free market work its magic?

Immigration levels should be set at a level that provides for full employment of Canadians. In other words, zero immigration until Canadians are not unemployed in significant numbers.

I don't believe government can stop outsourcing per se, but I believe that tariffs should be used against countries that clearly use low cost and government subsidized labour to undercut Canadians.

For example, I recently purchased a new power cord for my laptop from China. Total cost, including shipping, was $1.20. I can't even send a first class letter within Canada for $1.20 (including the cost of going to a mailbox). It is obvious that there are substantial subsidies from the Chinese government and elsewhere in producing such a product. I don't think we'll ever see low-value manufacturing come back to Canada, but some of the examples I have seen are ridiculous.