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[Smart] Smart [ONT] Smart Electric Drive - $19K OTR

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You definitely need to order the Electric Drive Design Package for the Smart ED, since it adds that green tridion and 16 inch wheels. This retails for 795.00 .Looks like MSRP is roughly 2200 dollars above cost according to Prices from Unhaggle for the coupe:

2018 Smart fortwo electric drive cabriolet
Base MSRP: $31,800
Electric Drive Design Package MSRP: $795
Invoice Price with Package: $30,357
Freight and D&D: $1,295

* Smart does not offer any incentives for this model

2018 Smart fortwo electric drive coupe
Base MSRP: $28,800
Electric Drive Design Package MSRP: $795
Invoice Price with Package: $27,567
Freight and D&D: $1,295

* Smart does not offer any incentives for this model

SmartElectric wrote:
Sep 9th, 2017 10:22 pm
2018 Smart Fortwo Electric Drive


32A@240V (7kW) charger adding 36 km of range per hour plugged in
improved highway handling with radar assisted braking and cross-wind electronic steering assist
larger 16" wheels
10 cm wider for more passenger room
top safety rating with 8 air bags and steel "tridion" cell
8 year battery and drive train warranty
$1.60 in electricity to drive 100 km (3x cheaper than a new Prius!)

In summary, the newer Smart handles better, charges faster and is a better highway car than the outgoing model. Range is only slight improved. Technology is much newer for audio and dash.

Compared to the best hybrid is 3x cheaper to fuel, and 5x cheaper to fuel than a compact gas car.
Electricity cost for a 60 km daily commute is $20/month (Ontario has cheap overnight electricity).

http://www.autotrader.ca/expert/2017063 ... ve-cabrio/


http://driving.ca/smart/fortwo/auto-new ... art-fortwo


Costs $19K in Ontario all-in for the coupe.

Reference : Ontario EV rebate for Smart ED in 2013 was $8500 in 2017 the rebate is $13000.
Ref : http://www.mto.gov.on.ca/english/vehicl ... bate.shtml

Configure the coupe:
https://www.smart.com/ca/en/index.html# ... rive-coupe

$19600 drive away price for a new 2018 Smart ED coupe
(taxes (13%), rebates (13000), destination (1200), Mercedes owner discount (1000) )
((28800-1000)*1.13)-13000+1200) = $19614

Configure the convertible:
https://www.smart.com/ca/en/index.html# ... rive-coupe

$23200 drive away price for a new 2018 Smart ED convertible
(taxes (13%), rebates (13000), destination (1200), Mercedes owner discount (1000) )
((31800-1000)*1.13)-13000+1200) = $23000



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Bull Dog wrote:
Sep 11th, 2017 6:17 pm
You definitely need to order the Electric Drive Design Package for the Smart ED, since it adds that green tridion and 16 inch wheels. This retails for 795.00 .Looks like MSRP is roughly 2200 dollars above cost according to Prices from Unhaggle for the coupe
Agree, the black and green is a great looking package for a good price as it includes upgraded wheels and tires that are $500 on their own.

I was offered $2000 discount, and $500 loyalty (own an existing Smart) without any hard work, but the car I put down a deposit on had $3000 in options, which are always highly marked yp, so there is some $ to play with on MSRP for sure, but way more if you load up the options.

Nice link to unhaggle!
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Are there any dealers in the GTA (preferably west end) that have any to test drive?
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SmartElectric wrote:
Sep 11th, 2017 5:15 pm
I traded the Mercedes SUV for the Tesla. Like I stated earlier in this thread, it's no secret I couldn't stand to drive the MB SUV due to the gas consumption. My wife was taking my Smart ED every day, even though her Mercedes was in the driveway. It told her flat out I would not drive a gas car, and that if she took my Smart ED again and left the Mercedes, I would be trading it for a Tesla. She took the Smart ED that next day. Problem solved, traded away Mercedes happily in 2015 for Tesla and couldn't be happier to get that stinking gas SUV out of the driveway.

Good enough for you?
Man, did you crap in his cereal?
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ADMartin wrote:
Sep 11th, 2017 8:57 pm
Man, did you crap in his cereal?
Other way around perhaps
Lies, damned lies, statistics and alternative facts
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ADMartin wrote:
Sep 11th, 2017 8:57 pm
Man, did you crap in his cereal?
LOL
Well, I'm no Mercedes shill as he continues to suggest.
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Dear OP

While I do appreciate you bringing this information up, may I suggest you tone down the sheer number of your posts in this thread

Now, 2017 Nissan Leaf vs (2017 ?) Smart EV - sounds like they're about the same price right now. Is 2017 Leaf a good buy when compared to Smart or wait for 2018 Leaf ?
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flaming homer wrote:
Sep 12th, 2017 9:42 am
Dear OP

While I do appreciate you bringing this information up, may I suggest you tone down the sheer number of your posts in this thread
May I suggest - not? I actually enjoy this discussion, there is a ton of useful information and I like knowledge and pasion OP is demonstrating. I also appreciate that while he's been rudely accused a few times of being a shill, etc, his replies are always polite and to the point. He's been posting here and blogging elsewhere about the EVs in general and Smart in particular for a long time and clearly has demonstrated much more knowledge and factual proof than his accusers. I say, OP, keep posting.
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Prior to my post #142 OP has posted 45 out of 141 posts - 31.9% percent of the posts are coming from OP. That makes it really difficult for any other kind of opinion and discussion to develop. Say more with less posts, is that possible ?

For example, 2017 Nissan Leaf being only 1K more than Smart EV, that's a significant alternative, but no further discussion after that
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flaming homer wrote:
Sep 12th, 2017 10:26 am
Prior to my post #142 OP has posted 45 out of 141 posts - 31.9% percent of the posts are coming from OP. That makes it really difficult for any other kind of opinion and discussion to develop. Say more with less posts, is that possible ?
So what? 95% of his posts are either some useful information or replies to other posts. It's not like he's spamming the thread with the same posts over and over again. You want a discussion - bring alternative ideas or suggestions, everyone will welcome it, but don't try to silence him.
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flaming homer wrote:
Sep 12th, 2017 10:26 am
For example, 2017 Nissan Leaf being only 1K more than Smart EV, that's a significant alternative, but no further discussion after that
The 2017 Leaf IS definitely a better deal, but good luck getting your hands on one in Ontario, they're all gone. We've got a couple 2018 Leafs on reserve now (they're a couple thousand more than the 2017's).
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Some more comparisons with other electric vehicles:
Active safety features:
Sadly, the Smart is missing modern active safety features like automatic emergency braking, lane-departure warning or active lane control, and adaptive cruise control. You can get those on higher end Nissan Leaf 2018 and e-Golf models, Chevrolet Bolt premier trim with driver confidence package, tesla 3.

Lengthwise ( if you need smaller car ) :
Smart car- 106 inches
I-Miev- 144.9 inches
Kia Soul- 163 inches
Chevrolet Bolt- 164 inches
e-Golf- 168.1 inches
Ford Focus Electric- 171.6 inches
Hyundai Ioniq- 176 inches
2018 Nissan Leaf- 176.4 inches
Tesla Model 3- 184.8 inches
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Bull Dog wrote:
Sep 12th, 2017 10:53 am
Some more comparisons with other electric vehicles:
Active safety features:
Sadly, the Smart is missing modern active safety features like automatic emergency braking, lane-departure warning or active lane control, and adaptive cruise control. You can get those on higher end Nissan Leaf 2018 and e-Golf models, Chevrolet Bolt premier trim with driver confidence package, tesla 3.

Lengthwise ( if you need smaller car ) :
Smart car- 106 inches
I-Miev- 144.9 inches
Kia Soul- 163 inches
Chevrolet Bolt- 164 inches
e-Golf- 168.1 inches
Ford Focus Electric- 171.6 inches
Hyundai Ioniq- 176 inches
2018 Nissan Leaf- 176.4 inches
Tesla Model 3- 184.8 inches
A VERY useful post. This is basically the reason why I'm skipping the Bolt in favour of the new Leaf and Model 3.
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ipopov wrote:
Sep 12th, 2017 10:37 am
So what? 95% of his posts are either some useful information or replies to other posts. It's not like he's spamming the thread with the same posts over and over again. You want a discussion - bring alternative ideas or suggestions, everyone will welcome it, but don't try to silence him.
Like a previous post said, who crapped in your cereal ?

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ipopov wrote:
Sep 12th, 2017 10:37 am
So what? 95% of his posts are either some useful information or replies to other posts. It's not like he's spamming the thread with the same posts over and over again. You want a discussion - bring alternative ideas or suggestions, everyone will welcome it, but don't try to silence him.
He's spreading propaganda that's the problem.
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