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[Smart] Smart [ONT] Smart Electric Drive - $19K OTR

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Inno wrote:
Sep 11th, 2017 3:00 pm
I'm guessing they have big families or long commutes, so this car does not meet their needs.

That's not really the purpose of downvotes of course.
That's what i'm curious to know if down vote is used since it doesn't benefit their purpose.
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ar2020 wrote:
Sep 11th, 2017 3:04 pm
Probably the fact that the OP is a <enthusiast>.
Altered for correctness. Find fault in the facts/statements, and I'll review.
Like I said, I'm not a fan of Mercedes.
But, they have built a great urban EV, and I am all to glad to provide details related to this product.
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This car definitely serves a purpose. It's actually kinda tempting to me at $19k OTR, but already have reservations on 2 Model 3's and a 2018 Leaf. I can't just buy every EV that becomes available (unfortunately). How much range does the average person NEED on a city-centric car? People tell me all the time that my Leaf is not suited for trips outside of the city, but I regularly drive 1.5 hours one way. Most people have no idea how far 150km range will get them. It's pretty simple math though, it gets you up to 150km radius from where you charge your vehicle at home.

The Smart ED could get me from Kitchener to Toronto, charge at my destination and then return home....sure that's about the extent of it, but a somewhat realistic distance. I doubt too many people are considering this as their ONLY vehicle in the family. Car #2 is a good backup for when it's not going to work.

If you don't have anywhere to plug in at home, a Bolt or Tesla are the only viable EV's. I have a friend with a Bolt without anywhere to plug in at home, he's driven 33,000km in 6 months......31,000km of that distance was charged at FREE public L3 charging stations.
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SmartElectric wrote:
Sep 10th, 2017 9:17 pm
The EV incentives are funded by the climate action plan, which primary obtains funds from polluters, not private individuals.
Claiming that Oil funds jobs here in Ontario is sad, the majority of jobs created by oil aren't like those for the electricity sector or renewable energy, which are long term jobs.

I wrote about this:
http://mysmartelectricdrive.blogspot.ca ... r-own.html
The carbon tax that everyone has to pay at the pump or when turning on the lights begs to differ. Also, the feds committing to the $1T Paris Climate accord to give to less developed countries so they can spend on renewable energy and such is going to come from where exactly?
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SmartElectric wrote:
Sep 11th, 2017 3:17 pm
Altered for correctness. Find fault in the facts/statements, and I'll review.
Like I said, I'm not a fan of Mercedes.
But, they have built a great urban EV, and I am all to glad to provide details related to this product.
Straight from your blog lol:

Mercedes/Smart gave me a $3000 discount on purchase, a $1000 loyalty discount (I own a Mercedes GLK350) and Ontario provided $8500 rebate which went directly against the purchase (it was not a "tax break").
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ar2020 wrote:
Sep 11th, 2017 4:36 pm
Straight from your blog lol:
Mercedes/Smart gave me a $3000 discount on purchase, a $1000 loyalty discount (I own a Mercedes GLK350) and Ontario provided $8500 rebate which went directly against the purchase (it was not a "tax break").
I traded the Mercedes SUV for the Tesla. Like I stated earlier in this thread, it's no secret I couldn't stand to drive the MB SUV due to the gas consumption. My wife was taking my Smart ED every day, even though her Mercedes was in the driveway. It told her flat out I would not drive a gas car, and that if she took my Smart ED again and left the Mercedes, I would be trading it for a Tesla. She took the Smart ED that next day. Problem solved, traded away Mercedes happily in 2015 for Tesla and couldn't be happier to get that stinking gas SUV out of the driveway.

Good enough for you?
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You definitely need to order the Electric Drive Design Package for the Smart ED, since it adds that green tridion and 16 inch wheels. This retails for 795.00 .Looks like MSRP is roughly 2200 dollars above cost according to Prices from Unhaggle for the coupe:

2018 Smart fortwo electric drive cabriolet
Base MSRP: $31,800
Electric Drive Design Package MSRP: $795
Invoice Price with Package: $30,357
Freight and D&D: $1,295

* Smart does not offer any incentives for this model

2018 Smart fortwo electric drive coupe
Base MSRP: $28,800
Electric Drive Design Package MSRP: $795
Invoice Price with Package: $27,567
Freight and D&D: $1,295

* Smart does not offer any incentives for this model

SmartElectric wrote:
Sep 9th, 2017 10:22 pm
2018 Smart Fortwo Electric Drive


32A@240V (7kW) charger adding 36 km of range per hour plugged in
improved highway handling with radar assisted braking and cross-wind electronic steering assist
larger 16" wheels
10 cm wider for more passenger room
top safety rating with 8 air bags and steel "tridion" cell
8 year battery and drive train warranty
$1.60 in electricity to drive 100 km (3x cheaper than a new Prius!)

In summary, the newer Smart handles better, charges faster and is a better highway car than the outgoing model. Range is only slight improved. Technology is much newer for audio and dash.

Compared to the best hybrid is 3x cheaper to fuel, and 5x cheaper to fuel than a compact gas car.
Electricity cost for a 60 km daily commute is $20/month (Ontario has cheap overnight electricity).

http://www.autotrader.ca/expert/2017063 ... ve-cabrio/


http://driving.ca/smart/fortwo/auto-new ... art-fortwo


Costs $19K in Ontario all-in for the coupe.

Reference : Ontario EV rebate for Smart ED in 2013 was $8500 in 2017 the rebate is $13000.
Ref : http://www.mto.gov.on.ca/english/vehicl ... bate.shtml

Configure the coupe:
https://www.smart.com/ca/en/index.html# ... rive-coupe

$19600 drive away price for a new 2018 Smart ED coupe
(taxes (13%), rebates (13000), destination (1200), Mercedes owner discount (1000) )
((28800-1000)*1.13)-13000+1200) = $19614

Configure the convertible:
https://www.smart.com/ca/en/index.html# ... rive-coupe

$23200 drive away price for a new 2018 Smart ED convertible
(taxes (13%), rebates (13000), destination (1200), Mercedes owner discount (1000) )
((31800-1000)*1.13)-13000+1200) = $23000



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Bull Dog wrote:
Sep 11th, 2017 6:17 pm
You definitely need to order the Electric Drive Design Package for the Smart ED, since it adds that green tridion and 16 inch wheels. This retails for 795.00 .Looks like MSRP is roughly 2200 dollars above cost according to Prices from Unhaggle for the coupe
Agree, the black and green is a great looking package for a good price as it includes upgraded wheels and tires that are $500 on their own.

I was offered $2000 discount, and $500 loyalty (own an existing Smart) without any hard work, but the car I put down a deposit on had $3000 in options, which are always highly marked yp, so there is some $ to play with on MSRP for sure, but way more if you load up the options.

Nice link to unhaggle!
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Are there any dealers in the GTA (preferably west end) that have any to test drive?
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SmartElectric wrote:
Sep 11th, 2017 5:15 pm
I traded the Mercedes SUV for the Tesla. Like I stated earlier in this thread, it's no secret I couldn't stand to drive the MB SUV due to the gas consumption. My wife was taking my Smart ED every day, even though her Mercedes was in the driveway. It told her flat out I would not drive a gas car, and that if she took my Smart ED again and left the Mercedes, I would be trading it for a Tesla. She took the Smart ED that next day. Problem solved, traded away Mercedes happily in 2015 for Tesla and couldn't be happier to get that stinking gas SUV out of the driveway.

Good enough for you?
Man, did you crap in his cereal?
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ADMartin wrote:
Sep 11th, 2017 8:57 pm
Man, did you crap in his cereal?
Other way around perhaps
Lies, damned lies, statistics and alternative facts
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ADMartin wrote:
Sep 11th, 2017 8:57 pm
Man, did you crap in his cereal?
LOL
Well, I'm no Mercedes shill as he continues to suggest.
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Dear OP

While I do appreciate you bringing this information up, may I suggest you tone down the sheer number of your posts in this thread

Now, 2017 Nissan Leaf vs (2017 ?) Smart EV - sounds like they're about the same price right now. Is 2017 Leaf a good buy when compared to Smart or wait for 2018 Leaf ?
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flaming homer wrote:
Sep 12th, 2017 9:42 am
Dear OP

While I do appreciate you bringing this information up, may I suggest you tone down the sheer number of your posts in this thread
May I suggest - not? I actually enjoy this discussion, there is a ton of useful information and I like knowledge and pasion OP is demonstrating. I also appreciate that while he's been rudely accused a few times of being a shill, etc, his replies are always polite and to the point. He's been posting here and blogging elsewhere about the EVs in general and Smart in particular for a long time and clearly has demonstrated much more knowledge and factual proof than his accusers. I say, OP, keep posting.
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Prior to my post #142 OP has posted 45 out of 141 posts - 31.9% percent of the posts are coming from OP. That makes it really difficult for any other kind of opinion and discussion to develop. Say more with less posts, is that possible ?

For example, 2017 Nissan Leaf being only 1K more than Smart EV, that's a significant alternative, but no further discussion after that

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