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software engineer is a bad career choice

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software engineer is a bad career choice

According to payscale.com, which does salary survey's, the current average salary for a software engineer in Toronto is $49,000. That is less than a postal clerk!! And they call this a high demand field (?) If your son or daughter is planning on studying computer science then they had better think twice before spending their money.
https://www.payscale.com/research/CA/Jo ... Toronto-ON
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honestyfirst wrote:
Dec 2nd, 2018 6:35 pm
According to payscale.com, which does salary survey's, the current average salary for a software engineer in Toronto is $49,000. That is less than a postal clerk!! And they call this a high demand field (?) If your son or daughter is planning on studying computer science then they had better think twice before spending their money.
https://www.payscale.com/research/CA/Jo ... Toronto-ON
$49K is for an entry level computer programmer which is about right. Bad choice? To some it might be to others it might be what they want. In general there is demand.
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honestyfirst wrote:
Dec 2nd, 2018 6:35 pm
According to payscale.com, which does salary survey's, the current average salary for a software engineer in Toronto is $49,000. That is less than a postal clerk!! And they call this a high demand field (?) If your son or daughter is planning on studying computer science then they had better think twice before spending their money.
https://www.payscale.com/research/CA/Jo ... Toronto-ON
LOL $49k is starting? Yeah that's not even close. Get off those sites that do a pathetic job of representing the average salary. You really think this is accurate? It's not. I know many university students who took a few in-depth programming courses and some solid side projects who are considered "entry level" and were still able to negotiate a starting salary of $60k+

Get out of here with your blasphemy post, these type of posts do a great dishonour to many entry level hard working students who simply don't report their salaries
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I did computer science for a few years when I was in university before changing majors, and hated programming, but in hindsight, I wish I did stick with it to some extent. Nowadays make a fart app, sell it for a $1 in an app store, and you make bank. I think this field will only keep increasing in demand as more and most things become mobile and automated.
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honestyfirst wrote:
Dec 2nd, 2018 6:35 pm
According to payscale.com, which does salary survey's, the current average salary for a software engineer in Toronto is $49,000. That is less than a postal clerk!! And they call this a high demand field (?) If your son or daughter is planning on studying computer science then they had better think twice before spending their money.
https://www.payscale.com/research/CA/Jo ... Toronto-ON
Hmm, quoting an unreliable source for a first post on a new account? Yea, doesn't sound fishy at all. Trying to lessen the future competition here, OP?

As a lawyer, I can tell you that many software engineers are matching or surpassing our salaries nowadays, even in the Toronto region.
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$49k is a bit on the low(er) side, but the field is terribly depressed in Canada due to an abundance of supply and very few employers taking up the slack. It doesn't help that immigration disproportionately puts talented people from overseas, many with STEM backgrounds, into the GTA and GVR.

For a lot of people with software skills, they can't even find jobs or obtain job interviews.

An absolutely horrifying data-filled and highly referenced study on the plight of Canada's STEM workers is found here:

https://www.ospe.on.ca/public/documents ... market.pdf

Figure 4 addresses Canadian workers in what might be termed the "Math/Computer/Info Sci." category and their employment outcomes, ie: less than half of the people trained in those fields actually work in anything remotely related to their field of study.

As a lawyer, I can tell you that many software engineers are matching or surpassing our salaries nowadays, even in the Toronto region.
Doesn't sound terribly accurate to me. Unless legal salaries have dropped dramatically.
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blexann wrote:
Dec 2nd, 2018 8:53 pm
$49K is for an entry level computer programmer which is about right. Bad choice? To some it might be to others it might be what they want. In general there is demand.
Less than what was on offer 20 years ago. It should be noted.
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honestyfirst wrote:
Dec 2nd, 2018 6:35 pm
According to payscale.com, which does salary survey's, the current average salary for a software engineer in Toronto is $49,000. That is less than a postal clerk!! And they call this a high demand field (?) If your son or daughter is planning on studying computer science then they had better think twice before spending their money.
https://www.payscale.com/research/CA/Jo ... Toronto-ON
that's your problem, software people i knew who worked at toronto left and went to San Fran for double the salary. There is no professional association or regulatory body for developers, hence easier to move than others who may need to write qualification exams all over again.
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divx wrote:
Dec 3rd, 2018 3:52 am
that's your problem, software people i knew who worked at toronto left and went to San Fran for double the salary. There is no professional association or regulatory body for developers, hence easier to move than others who may need to write qualification exams all over again.
1 in 1000 hire to applicant ratio at the big tech companies. And the field unfortunately does not respect professional qualifications.
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divx wrote:
Dec 3rd, 2018 3:52 am
that's your problem, software people i knew who worked at toronto left and went to San Fran for double the salary. There is no professional association or regulatory body for developers, hence easier to move than others who may need to write qualification exams all over again.
Double the salary is not good enough for Silicon valley as the living cost is probably 3x more. The smart ones work remotely in Canada while making that double-triple US salary.
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Toad99 wrote:
Dec 2nd, 2018 10:42 pm
LOL $49k is starting? Yeah that's not even close. Get off those sites that do a pathetic job of representing the average salary. You really think this is accurate? It's not. I know many university students who took a few in-depth programming courses and some solid side projects who are considered "entry level" and were still able to negotiate a starting salary of $60k+

Get out of here with your blasphemy post, these type of posts do a great dishonour to many entry level hard working students who simply don't report their salaries
Just another data point... university of toronto interns (12 - 16 month term) average salary for the current cohort is at $49k per year.
Of course, interns dont get the other additional benefits and such.... but it's still $49k for someoe who essentially has zero real world experience.
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burnt69 wrote:
Dec 3rd, 2018 4:38 am
1 in 1000 hire to applicant ratio at the big tech companies. And the field unfortunately does not respect professional qualifications.
your paper is recognized, degree, cert is something you should add to your list of qualifications, but in the software industry they mostly consider your projects. Everyone in the industry have a list of papers but not everyone have a project that can impress.
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er34er34 wrote:
Dec 3rd, 2018 10:14 am
Double the salary is not good enough for Silicon valley as the living cost is probably 3x more. The smart ones work remotely in Canada while making that double-triple US salary.
very good, you can recognize there are many available options out there.

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