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cec4111 wrote:
Dec 7th, 2017 11:20 am
I understand where you are coming from. Fengshui is not science, it's a belief. It's same as amy practice, ritual or religion. You can't prove lot of things, if you believe, you will feel it. If not it doesn't matter.
Actually, we should say we don't know Feng Shui enough to prove it by science, so we treat it like a ritual/religion. Same like acupuncture, for those who don't know much about it or don't believe in Chinese medicine, they would say it is a scary Chinese ritual. However, in facts, it is common medical practice that Chinese doctors have been doing for thousands of years. In facts, there are some sickness (especially nerve system related e.g. Bell's palsy ) could easily be treated by acupuncture, yet modern western medicine does not have any treatment to that.
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fdl wrote:
Dec 6th, 2017 8:49 pm
So you are considering a design change that will ruin the rest of the layout in your house and cost more money, because you are afraid of some kind of black magic voodoo. Think about that for a minute.
Even if you’re not a believer. It will matter when you sell the house. This could potentially eliminate a certain percentage of Chinese buyers.
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Gee wrote:
Dec 7th, 2017 4:33 pm
Even if you’re not a believer. It will matter when you sell the house. This could potentially eliminate a certain percentage of Chinese buyers.
That’s nonsense IMO and just fear mongering. You know those old colonial homes in Toronto that people bid up and pay outrageous amounts for, all have stairs right in front of the door. If there is a fraction of buyers that would be turned off it’s tiny, and no different than a percentage of buyers who don’t like the colour of your kitchen cabinets, or your layout, or anything else. Buyers are fickle and you can’t please everyone, so why customize your house to try and please everyone. At what point do you prioritize what you actually care about to live in?

And even if it were true, per the OP moving tech stairs would be offset by destroying his layout and paying MORE to make the change which could actually turn off even more buyers. So what’s the point?
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fdl wrote:
Dec 7th, 2017 5:26 pm
That’s nonsense IMO and just fear mongering.
I'm not a believer and you're obviously not a believer. But I can see some old fashioned Chinese couple with more dollars than sense (pun intended) turn away as soon as they enter the front door because some fengshui master said it is bad luck
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Gee wrote:
Dec 7th, 2017 5:43 pm
I'm not a believer and you're obviously not a believer. But I can see some old fashioned Chinese couple with more dollars than sense (pun intended) turn away as soon as they enter the front door because some fengshui master said it is bad luck
Is that worth paying more money and destroying his layout which could in turn turn off others?
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fdl wrote:
Dec 7th, 2017 6:25 pm
Is that worth paying more money and destroying his layout which could in turn turn off others?
Absolutely not, he shouldn't buy the house.

I'm not sure how he missed it, since it is a tract home. He was able to see the floor plan before making the purchase.

If @cec4111 is a believer, I suggest you do an assignment and sell the home, take the profit and find another property.
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Gee wrote:
Dec 7th, 2017 7:13 pm
Absolutely not, he shouldn't buy the house.

I'm not sure how he missed it, since it is a tract home. He was able to see the floor plan before making the purchase.
He missed it because it didn’t bother him and he liked the layout of the Home and everything about it. Until his friend mentioned the feng shui thing. Clearly he’s not a Feng Shui believer.
If @cec4111 is a believer, I suggest you do an assignment and sell the home, take the profit and find another property.
I’m speechless.
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fdl wrote:
Dec 7th, 2017 7:27 pm
I’m speechless.
If it didn't bother him, we wouldn't be having this discussion.
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People actually believe this crap?
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eonibm wrote:
Dec 7th, 2017 8:51 pm
People actually believe this crap?
Yup, in one of my rental properties, there's a street lamp directly in front of the main entrance, albeit across the street and is considered bad feng shui.
That resulted in me losing out on several Chinese international students that were looking for long term rental.
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vkizzle wrote:
Dec 7th, 2017 9:44 pm
Yup, in one of my rental properties, there's a street lamp directly in front of the main entrance, albeit across the street and is considered bad feng shui.
That resulted in me losing out on several Chinese international students that were looking for long term rental.
Yup, any tree or lamp post directly in front of the main entrance is considered bad Feng Shui by blocking the "Chi" going into the house ;) Ironically, builders/developers always like to plant a tree in front of the main entrance of each house Face With Tears Of Joy
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rdx wrote:
Dec 7th, 2017 9:52 pm
Yup, any tree or lamp post directly in front of the main entrance is considered bad Feng Shui by blocking the "Chi" going into the house ;) Ironically, builders/developers always like to plant a tree in front of the main entrance of each house Face With Tears Of Joy
And here I'm thinking it's a good thing, as the front of the house is well lit (safety) and there's no need to turn on the porch or driveway lights (saving money on hydro)...WTH do I know!
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vkizzle wrote:
Dec 7th, 2017 10:04 pm
And here I'm thinking it's a good thing, as the front of the house is well lit (safety) and there's no need to turn on the porch or driveway lights (saving money on hydro)...WTH do I know!
It is ok, different culture has different interpretation. For example, 13 is considered bad in western world but it sounds like "sure alive" in Chinese, which is total opposite of 14 (sound likes "Sure Dead" in Chinese) . That's why Chinese always like number 3 or 8 (8 sounds like rich/wealthy in Chinese), and try to avoid number 4 ;)

But Feng Shui is totally different thing than this number preference which is purely based on they sound in Chinese.
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rdx wrote:
Dec 7th, 2017 10:13 pm
this number preference which is purely based on they sound in Chinese.
Only in Cantonese. Doesn’t apply to everyone.
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Gee wrote:
Dec 8th, 2017 5:22 am
Only in Cantonese. Doesn’t apply to everyone.
Not really. It applies to both Cantonese and Mandarin speakers. Are you Chinese ?

By the way, if people say this is nonsense, then why do the "main stream" skip 13th floor for the buildings.

The reality is that Chinese accounts for 10% of the GTA population now and lot of them got the cash on hand especially those new ones (who are buying those multi million detached houses that local work force can't afford), builders/developers realize that they can't ignore this factor but tailor to their need e.g. make the condo street address with the "8", skip all floors with "4" like how they have been skipping 13th floor, get Fung Shui master to certify the floor plans, etc. Remember, it is always the money talks ;)

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/na ... cle734176/
This numbers game is crazy -- for 8s

JAN WONG
PUBLISHED JANUARY 22, 2005
UPDATED MARCH 28, 2017
When Sandra Eadie wants to go to her 32nd-floor condo with its sweeping view of Lake Ontario, she pushes button 37 on her elevator. "I'm in number 3706, but I really should be on the 32nd floor, which is really confusing," says Ms. Eadie, a financial analyst.

Chinese superstition isn't the domain of grannies and other Old World throwbacks. Educated, sophisticated, modern, perfectly rational people embrace it too. And real-estate developers anxious to attract these same people are playing along -- to the confusion of customers like Ms. Eadie.

In a bid to attract Chinese buyers, Concord Pacific Group, the developer at Ms. Eadie's City Place complex, eliminated the fourth, 14th, 24th and 34th floors in each of the 10 towers it is erecting in downtown Toronto, the way other builders cut out the 13th floor. (Oh, City Place did that too. Superstition is nothing if not multicultural.)

But the point isn't merely avoiding unlucky numbers. Chinese want lucky numbers too. Not all that long ago, you could easily request them for phones or car licences. But the influx of immigrants from China means that the competition is getting ferocious.

Chinese now account for 10 per cent of the population of Greater Toronto. Today, it's a bit like winning the lottery to obtain a cellphone lucky number. "You can never find triple 8s available. They are all taken," says Mike Dahlke, a Fido salesman at Don Mills Centre, scanning a list of available cellphone numbers. (Not surprisingly, there are plenty of numbers available with 4s.) At the motor-vehicle licence bureau, a clerk types 88888888 and 66666666 into her computer to see if they're available in vanity plates. They're not. But 86868686 is -- for $212.60, itself a lucky sum.

I have no affinity for numbers. Despite my ethnicity, arithmetic was never my strong suit. I had heard allegations that number 4 is unlucky because it's a homonym in Mandarin and Cantonese for death. And 8 is great because it rhymes with getting rich.

This week, I learned that 9 is a pun for forever or long life. Six is a pun for both smooth sailing and big fat sinecure (a plum job that takes little effort). And 3 is a homonym, in Cantonese, for life. One and 7 are neutral (unless you're Westernized and then 7 is lucky). Five and 2 are wild cards. Five is a pun for "not," which safely neutralizes a bad number. So 54 means "not dead." Disappointingly, 58 means "not rich." Number 2 in Cantonese is a pun for "easy." Combined with 8, it means "easy riches." With 4, it means "easy death."

Recently, I've begun to feel like an idiot savant. All these random numbers in Toronto suddenly have patterns. I now realize why banquets for 10 in Chinese restaurants have odd price tags like $688.88. The phone number on a sign for Tradeworld Realty Inc. in Thornhill, 886-2888, leaps out at me, shouting: "rich, rich smooth -- easy rich, rich, rich."

"All the numbers are lucky," Tony Chien, a Tradeworld broker says happily. His own cellphone number is 618-1222, or "smooth path to riches -- easy, easy, easy." But Mr. Chien insists that he's not the superstitious type. "My wife is very superstitious. She wants everything to end in 8."

When they bought their home, his wife, Ruth Lee, insisted on bidding amounts that ended in $168 ("smooth path to riches"). Ta-da! They got the home.

Now, she persuades her husband to make real-estate offers that end in $168. He goes along, even though he's sure there's nothing to it. But what about his Volvo's plate, which ends in 108, a pun for "always rich"?

He blames the car dealer. "The saleswoman was Chinese," says Mr. Chien, who is Chinese too. "She gave me an 8. I'm not exactly that superstitious."

Nor is Pei Yu, a professor of applied mathematics at the University of Western Ontario. He specializes in non-linear systems, control theory and other esoteric fields. He doesn't specialize in lucky numbers.

He has no cellphone. He doesn't even remember his own licence-plate number. And as a man of science, Prof. Yu naturally pooh-poohs all this numbers nonsense. But he quickly adds, "Of course, if they give me a 444 number, I'd want to change it completely. I wouldn't feel too comfortable."

Dr. Raymond Chan, also a man of science, has an auspicious phone number, 223-8666. A general practitioner, he made sure he took it over when another doctor retired. It means "easy, easy life -- rich, fat sinecure, fat sinecure, fat sinecure." The number, he says contentedly, has brought him "peace and goodwill."

Chinese superstition isn't fading. Fifth-generation Catholics may stop crossing themselves when they pass churches, but Chinese numerology lives on because it's linked to longevity and wealth. Unlike the Calvinist approach to materialism, it's culturally acceptable in Chinese circles, indeed, overtly encouraged, to get rich.

Even newspapers, which pride themselves on fact-based reporting, play the numbers game. Toronto's three Chinese dailies all have auspicious phone numbers. World Journal's is 778-0888, lucky in both East and West. Ming Pao's 321-0088 means "easy life, double riches." Sing Tao Daily's 861-8168 means "riches all the way."

"And we all make money," laughs Kelvin Li, Sing Tao's deputy editor-in-chief. "So you can see, the aim of opening a newspaper is to make money, not to spread the news."

A decade ago, Mr. Li once stood on the corner of Finch and Steeles, a Chinese neighbourhood, and, for his own amusement -- he's a journalist -- scanned licence plates. He'd find interesting combinations of 9s, 6s, 3s and 8s. "Then I'd look at the driver," he says, adding that 90 per cent would be Chinese.

Lucky numbers aren't new to Toronto. Dr. Chan obtained his phone number 30 years ago. World Journal got its listing 20 years ago. "At first, it was not difficult to get these numbers," says David Ting, the newspaper's president. He adds that he easily obtained a home phone ending in 8686 as recently as four years ago.

The rest of the population -- people who care little if they get an 8686 number -- find the reaction to unlucky digits bewildering. Billy So, an agent with Harvey Kalles Real Estate, says that several years ago Chinese who bought properties in Richmond Hill with the address number 14 would often pay a fee to change it to 12A. "That confused the fire department and the police," Mr. So says, adding that the municipality no longer permits this.

At City Place, construction workers were puzzled when they began building Ms. Eadie's condo tower. Someone had daubed the numbers of each raw floor in bright red paint beside the elevator shaft. And then someone crossed the numbers out. "Everything over three had to be changed," she recalls.

The tallest towers will have 49 levels, but City Place will market them as having 56 floors, according to John Mehlenbacher, manager of sales. Although the developer will eliminate the 44th floor, which means "definite death," it decided against skipping all other levels beginning with 4. Still, none of the apartments will be numbered 4. Asked why, Mr. Mehlenbacher says tartly, "Try selling them."

The Globe and Mail's 444 Front St. W. address means "death, death, death." Somehow we seem to have survived the newspaper war. "There you go," says Tonny Louie, a Chinese real-estate agent, who adds, "I don't believe 4 will cause imminent death."

By chance, The Globe is kitty corner from City Place, which will eventually occupy the entire area bounded by Front, Spadina Avenue, Lake Shore Boulevard and Bathurst Street. Mr. Mehlenbacher shuddered when asked if Concord Pacific might also be interested in purchasing The Globe site. "We can't touch that. We'll have to change that address."

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