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Star Wars: The Last Jedi (Episode 8) Dec-15-17 -- BEWARE SPOILERS

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Poll: Is Jedi in the title plural or singular?

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VicRav wrote:
Dec 18th, 2017 12:19 pm
I liked a lot of ideas for the movie, but really didn't understand why they needed to force so much humor and certain types of humor into the movie.

Couple examples of humor I didn't care for:
- Anything that completely derailed Hux as a character. By the end of the movie he no longer seemed like a villain and was just a clown. Just terrible for the character after TFA.
- Luke milking that creature and drinking green milk. Not funny and just meant nothing. We were already getting exposed to Porgs and the island caretakers, that was plenty.
I think the worse offence of bad/ pointless humor is the scene were Luke tosses the lightsaber away. Completely ruins the end of TFA.
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It's like this:

When Lucas talked about going back and making the prequels he mentioned how it would be set in the jedi hayday. Seeing new force powers all these years later seems a bit much. Why wasn't everyone just force projecting back then when things went South? Yoda could have spent years pissing the emperor off from his swamp! Vader and Kenobi in the original trilogy were older and slow. That there just wasn't much action to be had by then basically. So while the prequels were mostly meh, the quality of the jedi 'moves' was noticeably more sophisticated than that seen in episodes 4-6. The jedi were trained from a young age and it took years before you got a full seat so to speak, at the table. Basically it was hard dedicated work over years of one's life and the results were seen after prolonged training. Now, luke hung out with Obi Wan in 4, and could manage to retrieve his lightsaber from the snow to kill the wampa just in time in 5. He had to concentrate and draw on whatever little teaching Obi Wan gave him. He didn't, as Rey does, just reach out her hand only to have it filled with a lightsaber. He had a load of training from Yoda and then got whupped by daddio. Rey gets none and whups Kylo in 7 with about zero training. She hangs with Luke for a bit and earns a tie with kylo over the lightsaber as it splits in half. The accomplishments are not in keeping with what the audience has been taught over the first 6 episodes.

The issue with super Leia is one that bugged me and yet could have been fixed so easily. At some point prior to riding in the horse from the middle of nowhere with Leia being force capable, she just had to make some remark about how 'my brother taught me a thing or two over the years' in a way only Carrie Fisher could deliver. She says that in TFA and everyone spends two years wondering what it meant and don't feel ripped off when she uses it. It's a question answered for fans and makes the scene far less canonically offensive than what they did do. That is something a fan making the film gets, understands and implements.

I read today that Rian Johnson admitted Kathleen Kennedy thought it up and wanted it in the film. It sucked and that's why execs exec and film makers make films. The films given episode numbers are about the Skywalkers. There were a ton of jedi back in the prequel eras and they have stories to them I'm sure. They weren't all Skywalkers, just one was, and the films focused on them. If Disney wants to do Star Wars rebooted fine, add all the unrelated characters you want and make the force a thing for everyone. Just don't call them episodes 7-9 because by definition that means they relate to 1-6.

And yeah, I'll go again over Christmas. Ugh. Even bad Star Wars is still Star Wars.
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I finally saw it today and was a bit mixed about it, I don't hate it but just wished Luke lasted more than one movie worth of material.

However this feels like is a reboot, killing the old and restart again, like it or not.
The Devil made me buy it - RFD. :twisted:
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I don't get the hate for Rey just being the kid of general folk.

In the prequels it was well estabilshed that it was forbidden for Jedi to establish relationships. Anakin broke that rule, and it was a shining example of why it's bad idea. If Kenobi lived through all of this, I would of been disappointed if she had spawned offspring. He saw first hand what happens when it goes south. As there were no relationships like that, in the established universe, the Jedi were always kind of just found. Thus I didn't really care that Rey had no heritage.. it made sense.
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Mr_Fanta wrote:
Dec 18th, 2017 9:04 pm
I will confirm that no IMAX footage was spotted at my screening at Scotiabank's laser IMAX theatre because the aspect ratio remained the same throughout the movie. Not cool, but I'm still going again tomorrow (Cheap Tuesday) for another laser IMAX screening.

Was it the same for you at the Vaughan theatre, no IMAX scenes noticeable? I'm asking because next week during the holidays, I'm gonna try taking the subway line to the new Vaughan Metropolitan Centre Station. I've been told the Colossus theatre is about a 20 minute walk from the new subway station.
Yes, no IMAX scenes noticeable like there was in TFA escape from Jakku. The AR remained the same unlike Dunkirk which I watched there and the AR changed accordingly. What the hell is going on here? Any ideas? And really who do we complain to? I feel ripped off because the whole idea was to get the larger shot on the 5-6 scenes that were supposedly done.

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I am going to try giving them a call to see if they can explain what happened. You should as well.
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mrtvgame wrote:
Dec 18th, 2017 8:37 pm
instead of the usual "this film was crap". Please provide reasons why and then explain how you would have written the story in detail. Winking Face
It's not my job to to write screenplays for Star Wars films. I paid money to watch the film with the expectation of being entertained for two-and-a-half hours.

That being said, where to begin on The Last Jedi's many failures?
1. The poorly written plot.
2. Humour that was not very humourous.
3. The bad acting, with the exception of Mark Hamill.
4. Spaceballs inspired villains.
5. The seemly immortality of the main heroes when everyone else around them dies.
6. The entire subplot to find the Code Breaker on that casino-inspired planet and sneak on board a Star Destroyer.
7. The galaxy's slowest space chase. Running out of fuel?1? Seriously?!? See my point above about some ships running out of fuel but not all shops apparently.
8. Leia's spacewalk after her ship half blow-up. The audience was laughing at this.
9. BB-8 commandeering an AT-AT/Walker. The first think that popped into my mind was RoboCop's ED-209.
10. We're trapped in a base with only one exit/entrance... but wait these crystal canines have found another way out. But it's blocked with tonnes of boulders and rocks. No problems says Rey as she uses the Force to free our trapped heroes.

I could go on, but I'm really trying to wipe The Last Jedi from my mind.
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The progression of force powers is evident throughout the three trilogies. In episode 1-3, Jedi's begin to start learning how to communicate with the living after they die, starting with Qui-Gon. Episode 4-6, force powers expand to force ghosts. In the new trilogy, we got force projection and force mind link with Snoke. They've been introducing new powers each time, even if the projection seems a bit overpowered. But look at the cost of doing the force projection, even Luke couldn't survive after the ordeal.
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TrickyTreeRed wrote:
Dec 19th, 2017 12:35 am
It's not my job to to write screenplays for Star Wars films. I paid money to watch the film with the expectation of being entertained for two-and-a-half hours.

That being said, where to begin on The Last Jedi's many failures?
1. The poorly written plot.
2. Humour that was not very humourous.
3. The bad acting, with the exception of Mark Hamill.
4. Spaceballs inspired villains.
5. The seemly immortality of the main heroes when everyone else around them dies.
6. The entire subplot to find the Code Breaker on that casino-inspired planet and sneak on board a Star Destroyer.
7. The galaxy's slowest space chase. Running out of fuel?1? Seriously?!? See my point above about some ships running out of fuel but not all shops apparently.
8. Leia's spacewalk after her ship half blow-up. The audience was laughing at this.
9. BB-8 commandeering an AT-AT/Walker. The first think that popped into my mind was RoboCop's ED-209.
10. We're trapped in a base with only one exit/entrance... but wait these crystal canines have found another way out. But it's blocked with tonnes of boulders and rocks. No problems says Rey as she uses the Force to free our trapped heroes.

I could go on, but I'm really trying to wipe The Last Jedi from my mind.
That's your laundry list of complaints, now come up with how you would do them differently in such a way that you would be happy with. Most of your list is knit picking which we could do on any movie.
For example,
A New Hope
1. Escape pod randomly leaving the ship and not being blasted regardless if there are lifeforms.
2. Farm boy never flown a ship suddenly has miraculous fighter skills.
3. Large space station can fly around the galaxy at will.
4. How many times can a spaceship take a hit and not explode (falcon).
5. Hiding in "smuggling" holds on a smuggling ship and nobody knows.
6. A tractor beam controlled by one tiny switch.
7. Heroes running around getting shot at but nobody takes a hit or scratch.
8. Escaping into a garbage shoot and taking hours to figure out where they went.
9. Destroying a large military installation with one shot down an exhaust pipe.
10. Everyone lives happily ever after in space land.
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mrtvgame wrote:
Dec 19th, 2017 1:03 am
That's your laundry list of complaints, now come up with how you would do them differently in such a way that you would be happy with. Most of your list is knit picking which we could do on any movie.
For example,
A New Hope
1. Escape pod randomly leaving the ship and not being blasted regardless if there are lifeforms.
2. Farm boy never flown a ship suddenly has miraculous fighter skills.
3. Large space station can fly around the galaxy at will.
4. How many times can a spaceship take a hit and not explode (falcon).
5. Hiding in "smuggling" holds on a smuggling ship and nobody knows.
6. A tractor beam controlled by one tiny switch.
7. Heroes running around getting shot at but nobody takes a hit or scratch.
8. Escaping into a garbage shoot and taking hours to figure out where they went.
9. Destroying a large military installation with one shot down an exhaust pipe.
10. Everyone lives happily ever after in space land.
Stop making so much sense! :)
Baaaaaaaaa!
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Mr_Fanta wrote:
Dec 18th, 2017 9:04 pm
I will confirm that no IMAX footage was spotted at my screening at Scotiabank's laser IMAX theatre because the aspect ratio remained the same throughout the movie. Not cool, but I'm still going again tomorrow (Cheap Tuesday) for another laser IMAX screening.

Was it the same for you at the Vaughan theatre, no IMAX scenes noticeable? I'm asking because next week during the holidays, I'm gonna try taking the subway line to the new Vaughan Metropolitan Centre Station. I've been told the Colossus theatre is about a 20 minute walk from the new subway station.

Ok, I emailed IMAX Canada with this:
Can someone please explain when The Last Jedi was watched at Scotiabank in IMAX Laser and at Colussus IMAX in Vaughan, the aspect ratio did not change throughout the entire movie. There was supposed to be 5-6 sequences shot with IMAX cameras. When I watched The Force Awakens and Dunkirk last summer at the Vaughan location, the aspect ratio changed appropriately. Not impressed being charged for an IMAX feature that did not show the scenes properly. Please advise.

And got this response rather quickly:
Thank you so much for taking the time to report on the aspect ratio of Last Jedi.

Clearly you are a fan , having watched this film in two of our venues.

You are correct, that IMAX film cameras were used to capture some of the images in this new Star Wars film.

The editorial team made the decision that formatting the film in a constant 2:40 aspect ratio throughout the entire film would be the best way to tell this story.

The IMAX version also exhibits an enhanced remixed special IMAX sound track and our high brightness image enhancement process all add up to an excellent immersive environment in our opinion.

I hope this explains why the aspect ratio did not change. Both theatres projected the film in the way the film maker intended.

Thanks again for giving us this important input it will be noted that you were disappointed that the aspect ratio did not change.

Regards

David Keighley


So I don't know, I responded back to him to ask which editorial team made the decision as it feels a bit like false advertising. I also asked which theater would I need to go to see the 1:4:1 ratio.

How come more people on the internet have not brought this up, especially enthusiasts?
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sharpshooter88 wrote:
Dec 19th, 2017 1:01 am
The progression of force powers is evident throughout the three trilogies. In episode 1-3, Jedi's begin to start learning how to communicate with the living after they die, starting with Qui-Gon. Episode 4-6, force powers expand to force ghosts. In the new trilogy, we got force projection and force mind link with Snoke. They've been introducing new powers each time, even if the projection seems a bit overpowered. But look at the cost of doing the force projection, even Luke couldn't survive after the ordeal.
I dunno. Kinda reminds of the time they decided to add random powers to Supes.

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Lame movie. Watched it few days ago but not the same as when i had watched earlier ones as a child.
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They make a movie too close to the OG Trilogy people get mad - "its a rehash of the original"
They make a movie to separate this new Trilogy from the original people still get mad - "it's not the same as the original"

Make up your minds people

Just enjoy it for what it is. They can never please everyone. Imagine they never made any more Star Wars movies and left it just at the original trilogy? People would be begging for a new series. Now we have them and its here, just enjoy it!
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mrtvgame wrote:
Dec 19th, 2017 1:37 am
Ok, I emailed IMAX Canada with this:
Can someone please explain when The Last Jedi was watched at Scotiabank in IMAX Laser and at Colussus IMAX in Vaughan, the aspect ratio did not change throughout the entire movie. There was supposed to be 5-6 sequences shot with IMAX cameras. When I watched The Force Awakens and Dunkirk last summer at the Vaughan location, the aspect ratio changed appropriately. Not impressed being charged for an IMAX feature that did not show the scenes properly. Please advise.

And got this response rather quickly:
Thank you so much for taking the time to report on the aspect ratio of Last Jedi.

Clearly you are a fan , having watched this film in two of our venues.

You are correct, that IMAX film cameras were used to capture some of the images in this new Star Wars film.

The editorial team made the decision that formatting the film in a constant 2:40 aspect ratio throughout the entire film would be the best way to tell this story.

The IMAX version also exhibits an enhanced remixed special IMAX sound track and our high brightness image enhancement process all add up to an excellent immersive environment in our opinion.

I hope this explains why the aspect ratio did not change. Both theatres projected the film in the way the film maker intended.

Thanks again for giving us this important input it will be noted that you were disappointed that the aspect ratio did not change.

Regards

David Keighley


So I don't know, I responded back to him to ask which editorial team made the decision as it feels a bit like false advertising. I also asked which theater would I need to go to see the 1:4:1 ratio.

How come more people on the internet have not brought this up, especially enthusiasts?
I appreciate that you took the time to email IMAX and make your inquiries. I'm right with you in feeling very disappointed and betrayed that we didn't get any IMAX scenes when it was confirmed IMAX cameras were used for this movie. My guess right now is that even a theatre showing it in real 70mm IMAX film format has been ripped off as well. No scenes in the film will expand to a 1.43: 1 ratio because my assumption is the final product is what we already saw at the Scotiabank and Vaughan IMAX theatre. :(

First of all, I'm not any social media sites. However, I've searched on the internet and can't find any evidence of people that actually saw any IMAX footage anywhere. The filmmakers really pulled a fast one on us and lied to us. Think a petition has to be started to get the IMAX footage released to the public. LOL

I'm pretty sure on December 12 for the European IMAX premiere with all the cast members they didn't even get any IMAX scenes. Truly sad, especially when the IMAX company is hosting and presenting the film to the European market.

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