Teacher's in Ontario

[ottawa316]

I was speaking to someone about Catholic highschool teacher's in Ontario. I was unaware that a highschool teacher can make $94,000 a year (department heads make even more) for 10 months of work - really 9 months if you include time off for Christmas, Easter, March Break etc...etc..

If calculated over 12 months they make over 120k a year.

Also, $60 per year comes off each employee's pay to fund the Liberal party whether they choose to give to that party or not.

Question - do you think they are overpaid, paid accordingly or underpaid?

Also, considering the current economic situation, do you think they should receive 2.5 per cent a year increases or higher now that they are negotiating a new collective agreement?

[inntents]

I was speaking to someone about Catholic highschool teacher's in Ontario. I was unaware that a highschool teacher can make $94,000 a year - after 10 full years on the job, and with the highest level (of 4 possible) of educational upgrades (department heads make even more) for 10 months of work - really 9 months if you include time off for Christmas, Easter, March Break etc...etc..

If calculated over 12 months they make over 120k a year. This doesn't make sense. Teachers are paid a salary, not hourly. That 94K salary of which you write IS over 12 months, not 9. Do you say a baseball player who makes 6 million dollars a year for 6 months of baseball ACTUALLY has a 12 million dollar a year salary?? Also, $60 per year comes off each employee's pay to fund the Liberal party whether they choose to give to that party or not. What's your point? You more or less answered yourself at the end there.

Question - do you think they are overpaid, paid accordingly or underpaid?

Also, considering the current economic situation, do you think they should receive 2.5 per cent a year increases or higher now that they are negotiating a new collective agreement? Where are you getting this 2.5% figure? Just curious.

This subject has been done to death. Go be a teacher if it's so great.

[will2009wpg]

Who are you to say if they are overpaid or not?

Sure, the province could probably slash $20k off all their salaries and most of them would probably choose to keep their jobs (not like they can all just leave and go make a lot more elsewhere), but that doesn't make that right or fair. It also won't ever happen.

The whole summers off argument was really overdone this year in the US too, I'm getting sick of it. It's the nature of their jobs (which also include extra time put in during the school year), I'm getting tired of people just multiplying their salaries to make it look like they are getting paid more than they are.

That said, they probably don't need 2.5% any more than any other public sector worker does (myself included-federal government).

I would gladly take 0% raises any time the budget is in deficit in exchange for not being constantly scapegoated for the mistakes and poor decisions of the government of the day.

[inntents]

Oh yeah, and your title, "Teacher's in Ontario" might suggest that we need to pay teachers more, so they can teach people like you that there is no apostrophe used when you just want to make a noun plural.

Yes, I know that one has nothing to do with the other, but I couldn't resist!!

[fieldhousehandyman]

Remember under Mike Harris when teachers worked 22.5 hours a week!? I just about busted my arse laughing when I was chosen by Stats Canada to take part in their comprehensive employment survey soon afterwards!

Interestingly, as I had to document all of the hours worked by me (a non teacher) and my spouse (a teacher), I never actually came close to the 22.5 hours she was supposed to work. Her typical work week was between 38 and 46 hours, occasionally more...

Teachers are paid fairly and competitively, and somewhere in another thread I admitted my wife is one of a small group of the highest paid teachers in the province (public board, A4 qualifacation, grid step 10, bonus for Master's degree.) She doesn't complain about her job, or her compensation.

If you want to make that money, get your university degree, go to teachers college, and get a job teaching, if you can, because now the market for new teachers is particularly grim...

[Kohanz]

The $94k or $100k or whatever it actually is makes for a stupid argument. That's more or less the ceiling for a teacher - until they become a principal, when it becomes a bit higher. Why not quote the salary ceiling for other professions - they are much, much higher.

Teachers are fairly paid, IMHO. They generally have to take their work home, have to put up with today's kids (you couldn't pay me enough to do that), and have very limited earning potential (in general - there are exceptions).

[knapper]

Teachers are paid fairly and competitively

Agreed. It is an important job that deserves to be paid as such, and I believe it is. I could never do it, no matter what it paid.

[Sanyo]

Having dealt with teachers they are the cheapest, most stingy people I've ever met when it comes to their finances, especially women. Im not being sexist or prejudice to teachers, Im not saying its 100% of teachers I've encountered, but alot of them are just arghhh! Having dealt with them when I was in the bank as a uni student I almost wanted to rip my hair off when one of them came up to me -- ask the dumbest questions ("so can you give me a 5% rate on my savings account (2% rate at the time) or I'll go somewhere else!"-- SHUTT UPPPPPPPPP and go ahead and leave, not going to lose money on ya!)

[-=phelan=-]

^^ lol...this is coming from someone on a deals forum...hahahah!

The way i see it what's the harm in asking Better to be told no then not to have asked as I've gotten some good deals simply by asking "Do you have a friendlier price"?

[peanutz]

Some of my high school teachers were absolutely amazing (Chemistry, History, Math, Music, a German French teacher.) They made a huge impact in making me love their subjects, and learning in general.

Others were very "meh" (the other French teacher. LOL)

[JAC]

I was speaking to someone about Catholic highschool teacher's in Ontario. I was unaware that a highschool teacher can make $94,000 a year (department heads make even more) for 10 months of work - really 9 months if you include time off for Christmas, Easter, March Break etc...etc..
If calculated over 12 months they make over 120k a year.
Also, $60 per year comes off each employee's pay to fund the Liberal party whether they choose to give to that party or not.
Question - do you think they are overpaid, paid accordingly or underpaid?
Also, considering the current economic situation, do you think they should receive 2.5 per cent a year increases or higher now that they are negotiating a new collective agreement?

Whoops, looks like the government worker sense of entitlement has set in. What's the matter, is your protected government job just not fulfilling enough?

http://forums.redflagdeals.com/onlin.../#post13241332

[fieldhousehandyman]

I was speaking to someone about Catholic highschool teacher's in Ontario. I was unaware that a highschool teacher can make $94,000 a year (department heads make even more) for 10 months of work - really 9 months if you include time off for Christmas, Easter, March Break etc...etc..

If calculated over 12 months they make over 120k a year.

Also, $60 per year comes off each employee's pay to fund the Liberal party whether they choose to give to that party or not.

Question - do you think they are overpaid, paid accordingly or underpaid?

Also, considering the current economic situation, do you think they should receive 2.5 per cent a year increases or higher now that they are negotiating a new collective agreement?

And sure they get up to 9 weeks (usually closer to 8 for an experienced teacher, 7 for a newer teacher) over the summer, plus Christmas and March Break, but this comes at a cost. Ever wonder if a teacher can take more than a day off during the school year? While many workers in other occupations can take vacation times whenever they desire, a teacher is stuck with absolutely no flexibilty whatsoever... Would you rather five weeks paid vacation whenever you wanted to take it? Or summer, Christmas and March break along with all the other masses?


I can't wait until 2016 - 2017 or so, when newspapers across Ontario are going to have to add an entire spread for all of the teachers who will be earning over 100k a year, and have to have their names and salaries made public! Tens of thousands of teachers across the Province will join the ranks of those on the 'Sunshine List', imagine the outcry then...

[AMDCanuck]

This subject has been done to death. Go be a teacher if it's so great.

Do you know anyone currently trying to get a teaching job? It is near impossible because everyone wants to do it.
Whether they deserve the money or not, there is a pretty serious oversupply of teachers around the GTA.

[DearSummer]

And sure they get up to 9 weeks (usually closer to 8 for an experienced teacher, 7 for a newer teacher) over the summer, plus Christmas and March Break, but this comes at a cost. Ever wonder if a teacher can take more than a day off during the school year? While many workers in other occupations can take vacation times whenever they desire, a teacher is stuck with absolutely no flexibilty whatsoever... Would you rather five weeks paid vacation whenever you wanted to take it? Or summer, Christmas and March break along with all the other masses?

Five weeks in the private sector is probably a bit too ambitious. I think four or less weeks is probably the norm. And obviously I would rather have 7-9 weeks over summer, plus Christmas and March Break. Is that even a question?

[fieldhousehandyman]

Five weeks in the private sector is probably a bit too ambitious. I think four or less weeks is probably the norm. And obviously I would rather have 7-9 weeks over summer, plus Christmas and March Break. Is that even a question?

Of course it is a question, and many other public and private sector workers get five weeks. So would you prefer a job that you cannot take a day off unless you are sick (teachers get one discretionary day per year), or would you rather have something over half of the total duration, that you are able to take whenever you wish? Being married to a teacher, I can assure you summers plus Christmas and March Break, at the expense of anytime of the year is a fair bit overrated.