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Tenants have mice. What are my legal responsibilities?

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Well, have to say, OP is a very lazy, absentee landlord from the sounds of it.

We had mice in our townhouse, which we noticed shortly after we first moved in. Our landlord shrugged and gave us some poison cubes to put around. That did nothing as they were running around in the basement ceiling.
Instead we took matters into our own hands, we tore out the drop ceiling in the basement where they were nesting, cleaned up the huge amount of mouse droppings and carcasses that fell and put up mesh by our dryer vent which was where they were entering from. Most of the drop ceiling tiles were stained on the other side form mouse urine.
Our landlord was surprised we did this, thankfully he didn't care that we tore out the ceiling since he's not the owner of the property.

OP, better get on this before your tenants try to take matters into their own hands, it'd be a shame if they make a few holes in walls and ceilings in an attempt to get rid of the mice in YOUR property.
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Wow, why is everyone hating on this water trap? Been a farmers trick since the dawn of time. Not to mention it works like a charm.
Whoever suggested that snap traps are more "humane" is out of their gourd.

Far as the landlords responsibility is concerned. 100% your problem.
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User169319 wrote:
May 1st, 2017 10:34 am
Wow, why is everyone hating on this water trap? Been a farmers trick since the dawn of time. Not to mention it works like a charm.
Whoever suggested that snap traps are more "humane" is out of their gourd.

Far as the landlords responsibility is concerned. 100% your problem.
You re-opened an 8 year old thread for that?

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supeg93 wrote:
Dec 19th, 2009 7:40 pm
Uh.. That sounds like some SAW serial killer crap.

Remind me to stay the hell away from you....
Nothing wrong with hanging out with him, especially if he's white and in his 30's.
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What happen if there are no mice before and only after the tenant get in?

I have three apartment, the basement has no mice. the first floor has none either, but the second floor is rent by couple with few kids and has mice.

could that be the tenant is exposing his food everywhere to attract mice, so it is his duty no?
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jaysoulz wrote:
Dec 17th, 2017 3:55 am
could that be
A lot of things could be. What matters is what "is", or more accurately what you can prove to a court.

Not to mention that if mice spread to the other units, then you're surely responsible since they're innocent.

Fix the situation, and inspect/document the issue as allowed by your local laws.
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We rent and never even thought to contact the landlord... We put out regular traps with peanut butter, that worked okay but what worked better was that sticky paper. We have cats, but they aren't mousers - but at least one of them would let us know where the mouse was, and stand guard, usually by the stove so we put the traps under there.
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Just hire someone to get rid of the mice. Doesn't cost much. Your tenants probably see mice poop lying around lol.

My friends' friend used to complaint to their landlord about oil-ly fan on top of cooking stoves. These tenants rarely cook but the tenants before them did so make sure your fan to suck up grease and oil are sparkling clean if you have new tenants and announce it to their face and remind them to clean their own fan. You can even demonstrate with the clean fan.
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mat2312 wrote:
Dec 19th, 2009 3:40 pm
They're disease carrying infestive vermin. The traps work very effective. I'm not a big fan of animals suffering but there is no clear cut painless way to kill mice. Snap-traps misalign sometimes maiming the mouse for a slow painful death.
This is particularly problematic when you open the cupboard door under the sink where you know they've been visiting and it looks like a crime scene due to blood all over the place with only a piece of the mouse caught under the snap!!
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So similar problem, we have had a tenant in our rental townhome for 2.75 years and now has complained of mice, which we have called and sent over an exterminator 3 times in the last month. She is still complaining that according to her rights and disease control, we as landlords, are responsible for cleaning the unit. We disagree, feeling that we have done our due diligence and called and paid for pest control, not once but twice (same instance). This tenant has been advised several times to hire someone to clean the unit if she is not willing to do it herself. We have never had rodent problems and the place came clean when she moved in. So technically it would be up to her/them to maintain cleanliness? she has found some dead carcasses under her fridge. thoughts?
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georockgal wrote:
Dec 14th, 2018 12:08 pm
So similar problem, we have had a tenant in our rental townhome for 2.75 years and now has complained of mice, which we have called and sent over an exterminator 3 times in the last month. She is still complaining that according to her rights and disease control, we as landlords, are responsible for cleaning the unit. We disagree, feeling that we have done our due diligence and called and paid for pest control, not once but twice (same instance). This tenant has been advised several times to hire someone to clean the unit if she is not willing to do it herself. We have never had rodent problems and the place came clean when she moved in. So technically it would be up to her/them to maintain cleanliness? she has found some dead carcasses under her fridge. thoughts?
You should talk to your local LTB, as they’re the one that would ultimately arbitrate any decision anyways.

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CNeufeld wrote:
Dec 14th, 2018 12:23 pm
You should talk to your local LTB, as they’re the one that would ultimately arbitrate any decision anyways.

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Ok we may have to do that thanks
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mat2312 wrote:
Dec 15th, 2009 9:18 pm
You are supposed to get rid of the mice ;p



I had mice recently at my mom's house. I built one of those cheap drowning traps. The idea is the mouse runs up to enjoy the peanut butter, loses footing on the slippery can and falls in the water and drowns.


Supplies:

1 medium size bucket w/ sturdy handle
1 family size apple juice can (empty with label off)
1 piece of wood big enough to extend from handle of bucket to floor
Peanut Butter



Cut the can so you can fit it over the handle and you can spin it like a pulley. The can must be able to spin freely on the bucket handle and the handle must be set in place so that it's directly over the center of the bucket.

Fill the bucket with enough water to drown the mouse. If winter time, put antifreeze in it.

Put wood in position to give the mouse access to the can

Peanut butter on the can with a little bit on the wood leading the mice up to the can.




I caught 7 mice with just 1 trap.
picture please
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we had an issue like this at our previous house. we lived off a main street that also had fast food and sit down places.... so there were always mice and rats in the neighborhood and it was also a city issue. then shortly after summer started some businesses and houses started renovations and it drove the rodents to find new places to live or scavenge.

so we wound up with about 20 rats in our garage and a few mice in our basement. rats can chew through concrete and steel so patching holes you find is futile, you need to deal with it on a professional level and it costs a few hundred to start. it was a headache, not to mention the stuff you have to toss out due to the rat droppings and urination... put your stuff in plastic bins with locking tops as that will keep the droppings and urine off your stuff... but if you see chew holes then be prepared to toss your bins out.

we eventually got it taken care of... it's not a permanent solution as rats multiply and they have underground highways that lead right back to the source. so you have to be pro-active in keeping an eye on things and get to know an exterminator so that you can get a better deal on traps/poison. we ended up close to a thousand dollars to rid them, but my wife was creeped out by the whole ordeal and moved to a different house to ease her mind. but that doesn't mean it won't happen here.... and yes, we keep a clean and tidy household.

in most cases it's NOT the homeowner it's the environment and businesses around you that drive them into your life. get rid of them ASAP before you have a major issue. and while you are at it i would make sure the tenants are putting their trash in the trash and if they are putting bags outside they are in sealed trash bins... and it wouldn't hurt to place rat/mice boxes around the house with poison to have a second layer of security.

you as a landlord have to do your due diligence, but if you can find and prove they could be the cause of it due to laziness then you can also split the costs with them. just make sure you are in the right before doing that. but if they are slobs i wouldn't foot the bill yourself... make them pay a portion.
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Stop posting stuff...this is a seven yr old thread that someone decided to post in to defend farmers who drown mice can call them inhumane.
We're all bozos on the bus until we find a way to express ourselves...

Failure is always an option...just not the preferred one!

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