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Tesla Ownership Experience (Car Talk ONLY)

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LoveRFD wrote:
Oct 15th, 2017 10:24 pm
I don't get this type of statement, are you saying no pollutants emitted during a gas car's manufacture?
No, hes saying EVvs are Not pollution free. Not sure why that is so hard to comprehend for Ev owners.
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EP32k2 wrote:
Oct 16th, 2017 11:29 am
No, hes saying EVvs are Not pollution free. Not sure why that is so hard to comprehend for Ev owners.
You must know him very well then to comprehend what he really meant.

Anyway, I don't think anyone has claimed EVs are pollution free, they are much cleaner than Ice cars for sure.
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EP32k2 wrote:
Oct 16th, 2017 11:29 am
No, hes saying EVvs are Not pollution free. Not sure why that is so hard to comprehend for Ev owners.
Right! Nothing is pollution free!

If you want to be pollution free, then you would of walked to work, naked! Anyone here fit this bill?

Everything else is a compromise!
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LoveRFD wrote:
Oct 16th, 2017 11:40 am
You must know him very well then to comprehend what he really meant.

Anyway, I don't think anyone has claimed EVs are pollution free, they are much cleaner than Ice cars for sure.
Again read. Did you convenitly left out what smartelectric was tooting? You might want to actually read the whole discussion as opposed to replying to bits and pieces selectively.
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some1not wrote:
Oct 16th, 2017 11:42 am
Right! Nothing is pollution free!

If you want to be pollution free, then you would of walked to work, naked! Anyone here fit this bill?

Everything else is a compromise!
There are lots of tree hugging hippies out there.
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Looks like no 400 kWh annual credit for Model 3 owners. It sucks but gotta budget for $80 extra charging cost per year. :(
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b166er1337 wrote:
Oct 18th, 2017 12:14 am


Looks like no 400 kWh annual credit for Model 3 owners. It sucks but gotta budget for $80 extra charging cost per year. :(
wow not even for first year, they really cutting down on cost
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I don't recall Tesla promising free supercharging for Model 3, they always said it was paid.

As per:
https://www.tesla.com/en_CA/support/supercharging
Below are additional program details which apply to Model S and X under the Supercharger program.
400 kWh (~1,000 miles) of Supercharger credits are awarded annually.
$0.26 per minute above 60 kW
$0.13 per minute at or below 60 kW
I would average that out to $0.18 per minute as most of our supercharging was 88kW peak due to our older Model S, but average around 60 kW for a third of the cycle, and 50 kW for the last third.
If you average 60 kW over an hour, that is 60 kWh in one hour, meaning, the price per minute is the same as the price per kWh, so $0.18/kWh.

With super cheap off peak rates, overnight charging averages around $0.13/kWh here in Ontario (with taxes and all distribution fees included).
Tesla is pricing the electricity very cheaply considering the value of the fast charging and the convenience of long distance charging!

We've driven about 15,000 km using supercharger network in the past two years with our CPO Model S85, the other 35000 km was on home overnight charging averaging around $0.13/kWh.
If we had been charged, it would be ~ 20 kWh/100km and $0.18/kWh * 150 = $540 in fees over two years and significant distance.
Our Mercedes SUV would have been $2000 in gas for the same distance.

As you can see, Tesla is doing a fantastic service to it's customers by charging very little for this capability in the Model 3 which is literally half the price of the Model S!
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b166er1337 wrote:
Oct 18th, 2017 12:14 am


Looks like no 400 kWh annual credit for Model 3 owners. It sucks but gotta budget for $80 extra charging cost per year. :(

What's another $80 right? It's not like you're going to leave the virtual showroom for anything less than $60,000 anyway.
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Oct 18th, 2017 1:56 pm
I don't recall Tesla promising free supercharging for Model 3, they always said it was paid.

As per:
https://www.tesla.com/en_CA/support/supercharging

We've driven about 15,000 km using supercharger network in the past two years with our CPO Model S85, the other 35000 km was on home overnight charging averaging around $0.13/kWh.
If we had been charged, it would be ~ 20 kWh/100km and $0.18/kWh * 150 = $540 in fees over two years and significant distance.
Our Mercedes SUV would have been $2000 in gas for the same distance.
Of course, you obviously place no value for the lost time, 50-90 minutes of charging vs 2 minutes to fill gas. Personally the mental anguish of waiting xx minutes to get a charge that will last 2-3 highway hours while I twiddle my thumbs should also be factored. Also, how much do you spend on food, drinks while you stare at the walls, the sky or other Teslas for an hour?
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ottofly wrote:
Oct 18th, 2017 3:03 pm
What's another $80 right? It's not like you're going to leave the virtual showroom for anything less than $60,000 anyway.

Of course, you obviously place no value for the lost time, 50-90 minutes of charging vs 2 minutes to fill gas. Personally the mental anguish of waiting xx minutes to get a charge that will last 2-3 highway hours while I twiddle my thumbs should also be factored. Also, how much do you spend on food, drinks while you stare at the walls, the sky or other Teslas for an hour?
You are actually correct. That's my budget lol.

I'd rather take a 40 minutes rest every 3 hours for long drives. It makes long distance driving enjoyable. In fact I will sit back and relax and let the car drives itself on highway.
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b166er1337 wrote:
Oct 18th, 2017 3:16 pm
You are actually correct. That's my budget lol.

I'd rather take a 40 minutes rest every 3 hours for long drives. It makes long distance driving enjoyable. In fact I will sit back and relax and let the car drives itself on highway.
You really must hate driving, which is fine I suppose since the car has no soul. That should be the slogan for Tesla.....Built for people who hate driving and have time to waste"
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ottofly wrote:
Oct 18th, 2017 4:44 pm
You really must hate driving. That should be the slogan for Tesla.....Built for people who hate driving and have time to waste"
Oh I love driving. Been averaging around 40000 km per year in the last 5 years. But it does gets tiring and there is no fun driving on a straight road for 5 hours in Montana.

And who doesn't love stop and go traffic on 401 and all the ensuing road rages when someone cut you off.Smiling Face With Open Mouth
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b166er1337 wrote:
Oct 18th, 2017 4:47 pm
Oh I love driving. Been averaging around 40000 km per year in the last 5 years. But it does gets tiring and there is no fun driving on a straight road for 5 hours in Montana.
Me too, but a 30 min break every 3 hours is nice, stop for a coffee and 30 mins is not so long. Get lunch or dinner and 30 mins has long past. It is kinda ironic though, car will drive itself, a break won't be needed, though meals still will. In the end 30 mins of charging is a bit of an inconvenience but not a huge one. If your planning 1500+km a day then it begins to matter, otherwise not so much.
And who doesn't love stop and go traffic on 401 and all the ensuing road rages when someone cut you off.Smiling Face With Open Mouth
When i enter the center of the universe i begin to question if i want to ever get behind the wheel again... Smiling Face With Horns
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Quentin5 wrote:
Oct 18th, 2017 5:18 pm
Me too, but a 30 min break every 3 hours is nice, stop for a coffee and 30 mins is not so long. Get lunch or dinner and 30 mins has long past. It is kinda ironic though, car will drive itself, a break won't be needed, though meals still will. In the end 30 mins of charging is a bit of an inconvenience but not a huge one. If your planning 1500+km a day then it begins to matter, otherwise not so much.
Exactly.

https://abetterrouteplanner.com/ (now including charging cost!)

I've been planning a few road trips (for example from Calgary to Vancouver). With the above website, with some planning, I am really not spending more time on the road compared to driving any ICE vehicle.

And it only cost $30 from Calgary to Vancouver. Even when gas is cheap, I'd easily spend $100 on gas for the same trip.
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b166er1337 wrote:
Oct 18th, 2017 5:41 pm
Exactly.

https://abetterrouteplanner.com/ (now including charging cost!)

I've been planning a few road trips (for example from Calgary to Vancouver). With the above website, with some planning, I am really not spending more time on the road compared to driving any ICE vehicle.

And it only cost $30 from Calgary to Vancouver. Even when gas is cheap, I'd easily spend $100 on gas for the same trip.
It looks like an interesting website but it keeps saying no route found :facepalm:

I've been wanting to go out west, i've done east and south, not so much west

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