Servers make less than min wage. Im not entirely sure of the going rate but i believe its around $9 in Ontario where min wage is $14Messerschmitt wrote: ↑ I understand those tips in US, but why the same in Canada? Where they make minimum wage already? (AB already at $15 vs $2 in the US).
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Which is fine, because you go in, you see the price of the food. You pay $X to the restaurant for the "package" meal.
Instead of going into a restaurant, seeing the price of the "food only". Then you pay $Y for the food and $Z for the servers, which happens to be a percentage of the $Y. Dollar amount is the same, but the principal is not because depending on what $Z you give, you might get a dirty look. (Thus far, I have yet to get one, most don't pay attention and are courteous to accept whatever I tip, but the pressure is there.)
Regardless of what I order, the server is walking a certain distance and bringing my food. So why is a $10 meal deserving of $1.50 tip. While a $100 meal, deserving of a $15 tip?
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It used to be $9.90 when the minimum wage was $11.40 an hour.HghSsociety wrote: ↑ Servers make less than min wage. Im not entirely sure of the going rate but i believe its around $9 in Ontario where min wage is $14
But now it's $12.20 for liquor servers with the general minimum wage at $14.00
I would think that also means that servers who work in a restaurant that does not serve alcohol would be entitled to a min wage of $14.00 per hour
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big LOL at this thread
..lots of justification for cheaping out or not tipping from a community that built its self on...how not to spend money!...no kidding...everything from cheap deals that end up in hoarding ...to asking business and life advice without spending money..to how to get a cheap flight or travel on the cheap to business advise and car repairs..
keep patting yourselves on the back on how you don't tip...90% of you came to these forums not knowing how to change a light bulb and now you are trying to change the social norms....
you all decided to venture out of your parents basement and are now shocked on how the NA world operates?..
its OK...with the mentality on this community...the real world of dining out wont miss you...go out , dont tip, whatever way you want to justify your own cheapness is fine ...you wont impact the general population much as the same way you justify not tipping is the same way you will personally justify not going out for dinner....so go out, dont tip...tell your neighbor how cheap you are and try and start your own band wagon....
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..the real world wont even notice you are not there because you go out once every 3 months, you probably have coupons, and you will probably eat what is the best value on the menu,...not what you really want because life is all about what you dont spend for most of you....and you all let your jealousy of what others make manifest itself as another justification for your arguments..
so, go ahead and agree with yourselves..and start your movement...you guys are laughable...and cheap AF!..any way you want to justify it...as it wont bother me much, as I am not in the industry anymore..I just know that piss off the wrong server (especially if you are a repeat customer), and I will just say, you never know what surprises you may be in for....and thats the part that makes smile...karma can be a bitch
..lots of justification for cheaping out or not tipping from a community that built its self on...how not to spend money!...no kidding...everything from cheap deals that end up in hoarding ...to asking business and life advice without spending money..to how to get a cheap flight or travel on the cheap to business advise and car repairs..
keep patting yourselves on the back on how you don't tip...90% of you came to these forums not knowing how to change a light bulb and now you are trying to change the social norms....
you all decided to venture out of your parents basement and are now shocked on how the NA world operates?..
its OK...with the mentality on this community...the real world of dining out wont miss you...go out , dont tip, whatever way you want to justify your own cheapness is fine ...you wont impact the general population much as the same way you justify not tipping is the same way you will personally justify not going out for dinner....so go out, dont tip...tell your neighbor how cheap you are and try and start your own band wagon....
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..the real world wont even notice you are not there because you go out once every 3 months, you probably have coupons, and you will probably eat what is the best value on the menu,...not what you really want because life is all about what you dont spend for most of you....and you all let your jealousy of what others make manifest itself as another justification for your arguments..
so, go ahead and agree with yourselves..and start your movement...you guys are laughable...and cheap AF!..any way you want to justify it...as it wont bother me much, as I am not in the industry anymore..I just know that piss off the wrong server (especially if you are a repeat customer), and I will just say, you never know what surprises you may be in for....and thats the part that makes smile...karma can be a bitch
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If I had been you, I would have taken a picture of that with my cell phone and posted it on social media. Why? Because I'm a shit disturber and asking anything over 30% is pretty ballsy on the business.Biscayne05 wrote: ↑ We were out last weekend for Mothers Day dinner and I noticed the tipping %s on the machine were set at 50% 30% and 18% and "Other"
It was my first time here seeing that. I do tip all the time so it's not like I'm cheap skating anyone. Corrected it to 15% immediately.
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20% 25%???? This is Popeye's we're talking about. Last time I checked it was a fast-food chain. They hand you the food and you make your way out the door or to their dinky little table. How about 0%?
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Which raises another flaw in the justification for tipping. The tip percentage remains the same whether you order hamburgers or steaks and whether you order a bottle of house wine or a bottle of premium wine (or no alcohol at all.) The server does the same amount of work to bring you four burgers as four steaks. Likewise there's no difference in service provided between a bottle of house wine and a bottle of premium wine (except maybe a few seconds longer to pop a cork compared to unscrew a metal cap.)krs wrote: ↑Last dinner we had out was $120.- for four, no alcoholic drinks. Tip was$20.-
Time to answer any questions about the menu, take the order and then bring the food was less than 15 minutes.
The waitress was serving several tables during the 1 1/2 hours we were there and kept busy. So I would suggest on average she would get at least $80.- in tips an hour during that time, plus of course her salary less any tipouts.
Yet because the tip amount is based on the bottom line on the bill, the staff could see a twofold or more difference in tips depending on what the diner ordered. This even though the service provided was identical. Some may argue that it all balances in the end. But as when a group splits the bill by dividing the total by the number in the group, those with expensive tastes get subsidized by those who are trying to be frugal. Again this is absurd.
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If there's a problem with the service and especially with the food, my first objective is to get the issue resolved rather than to try to score some freebies. There have been times when the food was bad, the server brought the chef and/or manager to the table, etc. but ultimately the issue wasn't resolved to our satisfaction. Nevertheless I left a full tip because the server, although ultimately unsuccessful was doing her best. Now that I better understand the tip-out scam, in future in these situations I'll tip her in cash. Unfortunately with mandatory tip-outs I'll still end up rewarding back of house at the server's expense. Yet again, absurd.Manatus wrote: ↑ Speaking for myself, as a customer, if the service is decent but the food is trash, I'd complain to the server and/or the manager and generally they would take the item off or offer a discount on the bill (which I imagine would reduce the "sales" and therefore the tip out). In fact usually if that happens, the server gets a normal (based on the menu price) tip or even a higher tip for trying to make things better. Obviously if it's the server's fault that it was unenjoyable, I'd just go after the tip. So maybe that makes some sense?
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Let me reiterate. Despite my distaste for the tipping scam, I continue to tip 15%+ in Canada and US. Stiffing the staff on tips isn't the answer. The people who own and run the restaurants deserve our criticism for creating a system that lets them exploit their staff.cardguy wrote: ↑keep patting yourselves on the back on how you don't tip...90% of you came to these forums not knowing how to change a light bulb and now you are trying to change the social norms....
you all decided to venture out of your parents basement and are now shocked on how the NA world operates?..
If only there was some way to apply a negative tip on their income in order to show our displeasure...
This has nothing to do with being cheap, frugal or economical. I deplore those who don't tip as a "matter of principle" as much as anyone. It's not right to take out our frustrations with the tipping scam on the restaurant staff who in many ways are being exploited by it.its OK...with the mentality on this community...the real world of dining out wont miss you...go out , dont tip, whatever way you want to justify your own cheapness is fine ...you wont impact the general population much as the same way you justify not tipping is the same way you will personally justify not going out for dinner....so go out, dont tip...tell your neighbor how cheap you are and try and start your own band wagon....
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"when a group splits the bill"...bylo wrote: ↑ Which raises another flaw in the justification for tipping. The tip percentage remains the same whether you order hamburgers or steaks and whether you order a bottle of house wine or a bottle of premium wine (or no alcohol at all.) The server does the same amount of work to bring you four burgers as four steaks. Likewise there's no difference in service provided between a bottle of house wine and a bottle of premium wine (except maybe a few seconds longer to pop a cork compared to unscrew a metal cap.)
Yet because the tip amount is based on the bottom line on the bill, the staff could see a twofold or more difference in tips depending on what the diner ordered. This even though the service provided was identical. Some may argue that it all balances in the end. But as when a group splits the bill by dividing the total by the number in the group, those with expensive tastes get subsidized by those who are trying to be frugal. Again this is absurd.
when the group is split by friends going out..i.e. me and my buddies...not one keeps count of who orders what..we just divide and pay...sometimes some win and sometimes some lose...but no one begrudges what is ordered, and everyone pays theirs share...never a problem...been doing this for about 30 years..
in my experience, certain groups, teachers for example...they will split the bill and because of whatever reason (cheapness) ..but definitely for not lack of math...you can guarantee there wont even be enough for tip when they gather all the funds, let alone the bill itself as there are always cheap weasels that wont even pay their full share of their meal...I have seen this countless times..stereotypical teachers!,..lawyers also follow in this behaviour typically that I have witnessed too many times to recall...
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my rants are not aimed at you...you know the drill, but dont agree with it..me too...bylo wrote: ↑ Let me reiterate. Despite my distaste for the tipping scam, I continue to tip 15%+ in Canada and US. Stiffing the staff on tips isn't the answer. The people who own and run the restaurants deserve our criticism for creating a system that lets them exploit their staff.
If only there was some way to apply a negative tip on their income in order to show our displeasure...
This has nothing to do with being cheap, frugal or economical. I deplore those who don't tip as a "matter of principle" as much as anyone. It's not right to take out our frustrations with the tipping scam on the restaurant staff who in many ways are being exploited by it.
my rants are against those that use an excuse ...but would rather just NOT spend, and use tipping as just another avenue to save a buck...these will be the first to rail about price increases should the wages go up and associated cost be factored into menu prices (for their "quarterly" night out)..
...they also rail against what servers earn...why??? its a job, all the power to them...anyone with the skill set can do it and earn the same (if they are jealous)...otherwise they shouldn't whine or compare
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Stop tiping. Let the industry sort itself out
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In my experience I've always had problems with the bill when dining with WASP friends (white anglo saxon Cdns), in large group settings. In my experience they don't want to split the bill evenly (perhaps they ordered a cheaper entree or less alcoholic drinks). This usually happens in a large group setting, where its easier to hide if you're not paying your share. It always ends up being short on the tip. If I dine with WASP friends & its a smaller group of 4 or fewer, they do not cheap out on the tip & pay their fare share.cardguy wrote: ↑ "when a group splits the bill"...
when the group is split by friends going out..i.e. me and my buddies...not one keeps count of who orders what..we just divide and pay...sometimes some win and sometimes some lose...but no one begrudges what is ordered, and everyone pays theirs share...never a problem...been doing this for about 30 years..
in my experience, certain groups, teachers for example...they will split the bill and because of whatever reason (cheapness) ..but definitely for not lack of math...you can guarantee there wont even be enough for tip when they gather all the funds, let alone the bill itself as there are always cheap weasels that wont even pay their full share of their meal...I have seen this countless times..stereotypical teachers!,..lawyers also follow in this behaviour typically that I have witnessed too many times to recall...the other constant is immigrants from a 2 world upbringing, Portuguese, filipinos, chinese, and a few other I cant recall...all typical
When dining with Asian friends (Korean, Chinese, Vietnamese), people will go out of their way to pay the bill for the whole table eg pretend to go washroom but actually go to the cashier & pay for everyone.
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I'm fine with tipping & tip generously, my comment is aimed at a certain sub section of members on here, who try to say they don't tip on principle, when in reality its because they don't want the financial burden of tipping. I have a friend like that, who claims its based on principle but all his friends know its because he's a uber cheapskate when it comes to everything (eg abuses free peanuts at Five Guys burger)Andrew4Life wrote: ↑ Which is fine, because you go in, you see the price of the food. You pay $X to the restaurant for the "package" meal.
Instead of going into a restaurant, seeing the price of the "food only". Then you pay $Y for the food and $Z for the servers, which happens to be a percentage of the $Y. Dollar amount is the same, but the principal is not because depending on what $Z you give, you might get a dirty look. (Thus far, I have yet to get one, most don't pay attention and are courteous to accept whatever I tip, but the pressure is there.)
Regardless of what I order, the server is walking a certain distance and bringing my food. So why is a $10 meal deserving of $1.50 tip. While a $100 meal, deserving of a $15 tip?
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Shaming tipping? Serious? It should be shaming shitty restaurant food and/or service.
Having worked in restaurants during university days, I can say that tipping is OPTIONAL on the part of the customer. There should never be a fixed rate of 10%, 15%, 20% or whatever rate.
For those restaurants that puts down a mandatory rate, I refuse to go to these places. Or I just walk out once sitted. B4 leaving, I would ask the server, have you provided any service to deserve the tip? Just walk and shake your head.
I still recall an incident where the tip was not mandatory and when the bill arrived, I paid deliberately leaving just the left-over change (coins). The sever comes by and indicates the tips was insufficient. Well, food was missed, food took very long. Anyways, I just said if you don't want it, I will gladly take it back. That shut the server up.
Having worked in restaurants during university days, I can say that tipping is OPTIONAL on the part of the customer. There should never be a fixed rate of 10%, 15%, 20% or whatever rate.
For those restaurants that puts down a mandatory rate, I refuse to go to these places. Or I just walk out once sitted. B4 leaving, I would ask the server, have you provided any service to deserve the tip? Just walk and shake your head.
I still recall an incident where the tip was not mandatory and when the bill arrived, I paid deliberately leaving just the left-over change (coins). The sever comes by and indicates the tips was insufficient. Well, food was missed, food took very long. Anyways, I just said if you don't want it, I will gladly take it back. That shut the server up.
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I was at a Restaurant Barbecue Tonight in Mississauga where there was automatic 15% service charge added. I can accept that if I like the service and food but when paying the waitress gave me tip % options. I asked isn't it already added in service charge. She explained that's the charge reserved for restaurant, waiters get no tip from it. I was skeptical whether she was lying or really the restaurant has gone so crook these days. Is it the new norm now in this industry? While I sympathize with the waiters working there I couldn't justify another 15% on top of already overpriced items and service fee. Big thumbs down for that Restaurant from me.
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Skeptical? More like unbelievable!resan wrote: ↑ I was at a Restaurant Barbecue Tonight in Mississauga where there was automatic 15% service charge added. I can accept that if I like the service and food but when paying the waitress gave me tip % options. I asked isn't it already added in service charge. She explained that's the charge reserved for restaurant, waiters get no tip from it. I was skeptical whether she was lying or really the restaurant has gone so crook these days. Is it the new norm now in this industry? While I sympathize with the waiters working there I couldn't justify another 15% on top of already overpriced items and service fee. Big thumbs down for that Restaurant from me.
I would have asked the server to bring her manager to the table. Then I'd ask the server to repeat her explanation. The manager's body language should reveal who's telling the truth. (And if I were the manager I'd fire her on the spot.)
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Is the restaurant business really so low margin and so cut throat that they have to try tactics like that to stay in business?resan wrote: ↑ I was at a Restaurant Barbecue Tonight in Mississauga where there was automatic 15% service charge added. I can accept that if I like the service and food but when paying the waitress gave me tip % options. I asked isn't it already added in service charge. She explained that's the charge reserved for restaurant, waiters get no tip from it. I was skeptical whether she was lying or really the restaurant has gone so crook these days. Is it the new norm now in this industry? While I sympathize with the waiters working there I couldn't justify another 15% on top of already overpriced items and service fee. Big thumbs down for that Restaurant from me.
I hardly think so.
They don't offer an identical product to the consumer like a retail store often does where one can do valid price comparisons.
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How long ago was that when you worked in a restaurant? I think times have really changed.doberman_baby wrote: ↑ Shaming tipping? Serious? It should be shaming shitty restaurant food and/or service.
Having worked in restaurants during university days, I can say that tipping is OPTIONAL on the part of the customer. There should never be a fixed rate of 10%, 15%, 20% or whatever rate.
How would you even know if a restaurant uses a preset tipping percentage ahead of time, or even after you are seated?For those restaurants that puts down a mandatory rate, I refuse to go to these places. Or I just walk out once sitted.
That only shows up at the end, after the meal when you get your bill.
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I would have called for the manager. Unless there is a sign or something written in the menu that says an automatic service charge or tip is being added to the bill I wouldn't pay it. I would demand it to be removed as it was not stated in their prices.resan wrote: ↑ I was at a Restaurant Barbecue Tonight in Mississauga where there was automatic 15% service charge added. I can accept that if I like the service and food but when paying the waitress gave me tip % options. I asked isn't it already added in service charge. She explained that's the charge reserved for restaurant, waiters get no tip from it. I was skeptical whether she was lying or really the restaurant has gone so crook these days. Is it the new norm now in this industry? While I sympathize with the waiters working there I couldn't justify another 15% on top of already overpriced items and service fee. Big thumbs down for that Restaurant from me.
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