I just manually scroll down to the third or fourth 'Other' option and tip whatever feels right. The 15% pre-tax is my go-to.
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May 22nd, 2019 2:06 pm
That article says that an increase in the minimum wage causes general upwards pressure on other wages and on prices in general. I'm not disputing that. But where does it say, "the cost of living (rents, food, etc), ... goes up way more than the 'raise' you got when minimum wage went up."? IOW after the minimum wage in ON went up ~21% from $11.60 to $14, what evidence is there that the cost of living in ON went up even by 21%, let alone by more? StatsCan certainly didn't report anything close to that sort of inflationary increase.najibs wrote: ↑ There’s plenty. Google it. Here’s one tho https://www.google.ca/amp/s/www.theglob ... e38017258/
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May 23rd, 2019 10:31 pm
Simple...because you can afford itcheapshopper wrote: ↑ and the whole idea of tipping based on the amount on the bill just wrong.
Say I opened couple bottle of wines.
The amount of work they do for me order $60 a bottle wine vs $120 a bottle wine is exactly the same.
So why I have to tip double?
May 24th, 2019 7:04 am
The same argument can be used with menu items in general. Suppose there are three diners at a table with different appetites. One orders a $10 appetizer. The second orders the $20 pasta dish. And the third person orders the $30 steak. It takes essentially the same amount of work to prepare each of the three dishes yet the amount of tip expected varies by 3x.cheapshopper wrote: ↑ and the whole idea of tipping based on the amount on the bill just wrong.
Say I opened couple bottle of wines.
The amount of work they do for me order $60 a bottle wine vs $120 a bottle wine is exactly the same.
So why I have to tip double?
May 25th, 2019 3:12 pm
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May 25th, 2019 10:00 pm
It has nothing to do with our being spineless. It's because it's not the servers who operate the tip scam. The reason I tip, even though I resent the restaurant industry for the many ways they scam the public with tipping, is because if I don't tip I penalize the wrong people. I know going into the restaurant that tipping in Canada and US is customary, expected and that the servers depend on it to make a decent living. If you don't like it then don't go into any restaurants that expect tipping.fryguy1987 wrote: ↑ If you guys don't want to tip, then don't tip. It's nobody's fault but your own that those that tip but don't want to don't have enough of a backbone to stand up against something which the strongly oppose. There are people in this thread complaining about how wrong it is and then in the very next sentence they state that they still tip 15-20%. Could you be any more spineless? No one is holding a gun to your head and forcing you to tip. It's an option and one which you can refuse.
May 25th, 2019 10:42 pm
In Ontario, I don't think one would get very far doing that - the manager/owner would counter that the minimum wage just went up in January 2018 by over 20% and the restaurant didn't bump prices by anywhere near that, so the restaurant is actually loosing money compared to before.
May 25th, 2019 11:09 pm
But they are not exploiting their staff. The fact of the matter is you guys don't want to tip but you guys also don't want to pay higher menu prices either. Any restaurant who has tried a no tipping policy and has tried to pay their staff a much higher wage has quickly gone broke because you guys don't want to pay higher prices. The restaurants can't pay higher wages because in order to do so it has to increase menu prices and then people don't go. It's happened over and over again repeatedly. Just google it.bylo wrote: ↑
IMO the "spineless" people are the ones who, despite knowing the tipping custom here, use withholding their tip to justify their cheapness in not tipping as some sort of principled stance against tipping. If those people had any real spine, they'd ask for the manager/owner of the establishment and tell them and loudly shame them in public for exploiting their staff.
May 26th, 2019 2:08 am
post their names so everyone can avoid going to itcheapshopper wrote: ↑ I can confirm something like this happen. Happen to me once. We went out for a dinner , 10 people.
The restaurant already added 18% on our bill. We did opened many bottle of wine that night, and ordered many starter, dessert, etc on top of our main, so it is kind of big bill.
I recall the bill is approx $2000 after the 18% and Tax.
BUT the server give us the machine and ask us to select 20%, 25%, 30%. tip.
We where like, Wasn't we already got charge 18%???
She told us the 18% is "Service charge" from the restaurant, NOT a Gratuity.
We ask for the manager, and he told us YES, the 18% is restaurant's SERVICE FEES, not Gratuity, Gratuity is on top of that.
We ask then why we got charge for the 18% "Service Fees"? He go on to tell us that's because it cost them MORE to serve a table with big group, so they need to add service fees for party of 6 and above.
and he go out to "SUGGEST" because we are big group, he recommend 25% on that $2000 for Gratuity.
We told him, No, we are not going to do it, and tell our server, sorry, if you don't like this, you should just find another restaurant,m PLUS, we will NEVER come back to this place again.
May 26th, 2019 7:23 am
So how does tipping solve that problem for the restaurant? Tips, whether given to the individual or pooled, are supposed to supplement staff wages, i.e. allow the restaurant to keep paying just the minimum wage. They're not supposed to supplement the restaurant's profit.
May 26th, 2019 7:37 am
Bullshit. I'm quite happy to end tipping by paying higher menu prices--if that money goes to staff rather than to line the owner's pockets.fryguy1987 wrote: ↑The fact of the matter is you guys don't want to tip but you guys also don't want to pay higher menu prices either... If you guys were willing to pay higher prices than these restaurants would be thriving.
This has to be done all-or-nothing, i.e. by legislation.Any restaurant who has tried a no tipping policy and has tried to pay their staff a much higher wage has quickly gone broke because you guys don't want to pay higher prices. The restaurants can't pay higher wages because in order to do so it has to increase menu prices and then people don't go. It's happened over and over again repeatedly. Just google it.
That's hardly "razor thin" compared to other businesses like grocery stores. Yet grocery stores don't seem to have the same turnover as restaurants. There are more significant factors at play here than wages, despite the industry's attempts to frame it as a wages issue. Don't fall for their bullshit.Restaurant margins are razor thin. Somewhere around 5% on average. There's a reason why the most risky type of business to open is a restaurant most fail. There is no room to drastically increase wages
May 26th, 2019 7:51 am
grocery stores?.compared to restaurants?..bylo wrote: ↑ Bullshit. I'm quite happy to end tipping by paying higher menu prices--if that money goes to staff rather than to line the owner's pockets.
This has to be done all-or-nothing, i.e. by legislation.
Otherwise:
1. Patrons will delude themselves by going to restaurants that offer lower prices, continue to give tips, and then end up paying as much or more for their meals as they would have at no-tip restaurants.
2. Servers will leave no-tip restaurants for tipping restaurants because they can earn more off tips, especially if they don't declare everything.
Of course politicians don't have the spine to do that so it will never happen.
This has nothing to do with the "spineless" patrons you seem so eager to blame for this situation.
That's hardly "razor thin" compared to other businesses like grocery stores. Yet grocery stores don't seem to have the same turnover as restaurants. There are more significant factors at play here than wages, despite the industry's attempts to frame it as a wages issue. Don't fall for their bullshit.
May 26th, 2019 8:08 am
Of course. Restaurants fail for all sorts of reasons more significant than profit margins, e.g. bad management, bad cooking, poor service, intense competition, reviews, etc.
Which is exactly the point I've been making repeatedly in this thread. I much prefer the no-tip culture in Europe and Asia, but as long as I eat in NA restaurants I continue to grit my teeth and tip (usually 15% to 20%.)just accept that this is north american culture...and if those that dont like it, just dont go dining out...or just accept it!...you like dining out?...then play the game by their rules...
While that may be true of some people, I resent the attempts by self-righteous (or self-interest conflicted) posters on this thread to make such a broad generalization.everyone wants to make theor own rules to justify their cheapness period.
May 26th, 2019 8:46 am
sure...you might as well start...so go to Barbarians...enjoy a great dining experience..an when the bill comes..leave zero tip and explain to both the server and the management your principles of change...then go back the next week and try it again...become a regular there..report back back how that works out ..I am curiousvoodoo22 wrote: ↑ This is a major problem with our current culture. We are too lazy to try to make change or stand up for anything. Just accept it and don't try to change anything otherwise you'll annoy the people profiting and the sheep who don't want to put effort into anything.
Your position makes zero sense because you say people need to follow rules made up by people who want an ambiguous amount of extra money provided as a standard and then complain about people who don't want to blindly pay more than the listed price as making up their own rules! Due to your personal situation you are entitled to feel whatever you want about people who don't want to blindly tip, but your feelings don't make you right.
The fact is that tips are supposed to be an extra supplied upon the customers discretion if they feel the service warrants it. A tip is not a given and if people in certain industries feel tips are required to make their pay acceptable, then they need to take that up with their employers to ensure they are paid a fair market wage. Warning though, standing up for yourself takes effort and is a risk!
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