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The Toronto Blue Jays/MLB Thread

2007 Opening Day (25-Man Roster)

# STARTERS
Roy Halladay, RH
# A.J. Burnett, RH
# Gustavo Chacin, LH
# Tomo Ohka, RH
# Josh Towers, RH

BULLPEN
# B.J. Ryan, LH
# Jason Frasor, RH
# Scott Downs, LH
# Shaun Marcum, RH
# Casey Janssen, RH
# Victor Zambrano, RH
# Jeremy Accardo, RH

# INFIELDERS
# Lyle Overbay, 1B
# Aaron Hill, 2B
# Royce Clayton, SS
# Troy Glaus, 3B
# Frank Thomas, DH
# John McDonald, 2B/SS
# Jason Smith, INF

OUTFIELDERS
# Vernon Wells, CF
# Alex Rios, RF
# Reed Johnson, LF
# Matt Stairs, RF/LF

CATCHERS
# Gregg Zaun
# Jason Phillips
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Initial reaction: bwhaaaaaaaaaaahhh?!?!?!?!?!??!?!?!?!?!


So I don't know what to make of Big Hurt coming to Toronto. I trust ESPN is reliable.

This is wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy out of left field. I never imagined Big Hurt leaving Oakland. When JP said "bat", I thought a decent power hitter and never thought Thomas. No reports, rumours, anything.

How much JP throwing at him? Beane offered $9.5M/2 years so I assume JP blew that out of the water to convince him. I'm assuming $12M/2 which sounds reasonable... hopefully.

Looks like we found ourselves a new DH. Though he can't run, he can crush balls still.

Right now, I'm indifferent to this signing depending on how much.
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I am rather shocked to hear Thomas' name as well. I hope he can give us some pops.

I personally don't think we should re-sign Ted Lilly. True, he had a career year last year but it also happens to be his contract year. He has done nothing else in his previous 3, 4 seasons with the Jays to impress me. Consistently inconsistent, that's how I rate Ted.

The Jays need a SS badly. Whoever think Johnnie Mac can do the job adequately for 162 games need to stop dreaming.
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NAPLES, Fla. -- The Toronto Blue Jays are closing in on a deal with free agent designated hitter Frank Thomas, two sources at the general managers' meetings told ESPN.com.

Thomas, 38, batted .270 with 39 homers and 114 RBI last season for the Oakland Athletics. The Texas Rangers had also made a serious push to sign him.

It's believed that Thomas will sign a two-year deal with the Blue Jays. He played for a base salary of $500,000 this season, plus $2.6 million in incentives, after coming back from an ankle injury.

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Great if they can sign him!
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The BIG HURTTTTTTTTTTTTT!

I still have his video game for the Playstation.
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actually the interest of Thomas by the Jays has been there for a while...
I heard quite some bit ago on the Fan590 that he was one of the key players the Jays are gonna be luring
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i always thought his $500,000/yr contract last year + incentives if he played was an amazing deal for the athletics.

if the guy does produce, he produces big time... so... you have nothing to lose hwen you're giving him $500,000... hell, eric hinske is getting something like $4-5m.

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back to this deal, AMAZING IF THE JAYS GET HIM. big props to j.p. getting me all excited right after the season is over...

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apparantly its 2 yrs for $23mil.... holy cow...
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Interesting...if that's true and Thomas manages to come close to his numbers from last year, you can tick off "bat" from the list.

I think the Jays need a 2B rather than SS since Hill can play SS. Scott Carson threw out the names Kennedy and Marcus Giles (!)
:http://www.sportsnet.ca/baseball/column ... 83045_4452

As for relief pitching, I'd try to re-sign Speier; dunno how many arms we need but he's one. Catcher, I'd re-sign Zaun as the starter. He's reliable enough and is a switch hitter, plus he's a leader and he's been with the club/pitchers a few years now. Re-signing Wells makes sense unless he's asking for waaaaaay too much or there's a trade available that's too good to pass on. As for SP, according to some baseball executives, Lilly might be the best available:
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/columns/s ... id=2662662

Gonna be interesting to see how the Jays look next year...they're just a few pieces/avoiding injuries away from the playoffs. Let's move to the NL where teams with fewer wins than the Jays not only make the playoffs but win it all!
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Rogers Centre is a much better hitter's park than Oakland. You could run a marathon in its foul territory.

The big concerns is really injuries with FT. Otherwise, he's the RHP-pounding bat that the Jays need. I remember how the Jays wins differential between starting lefties and righties was heavily skewed in favour of the former.
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Reports are saying, 2 for $23M plus club option for third.
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2006/b ... index.html
http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/6177240

Wowwwwwwwwwww..... that's a lot for a DH. Perhaps too much. Unless Rogers opened up the bank to $100M, this might not have been wise spending.

Unless, the rumour mills starting churning and we could see a trade of Wells or something. I mean, if the budget is at $90M and they had $20M+ to spend, they just spent $11.5M on the DH... mmmmmmm......

Troy Glaus makes about $12M, I think. Maybe trade Glaus away for pitching and shed some salary although he has a full no-trade clause?

Maybe convert Lind into a 3B? I honestly believe Lind's bat belongs in the majors next year, no more AAA.

Sucks to be A's, maybe they will push hard for Barry Bonds now!
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mingcourt wrote:
Nov 15th, 2006 9:58 pm
i always thought his $500,000/yr contract last year + incentives if he played was an amazing deal for the athletics.

if the guy does produce, he produces big time... so... you have nothing to lose hwen you're giving him $500,000... hell, eric hinske is getting something like $4-5m.

--

back to this deal, AMAZING IF THE JAYS GET HIM. big props to j.p. getting me all excited right after the season is over...

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apparantly its 2 yrs for $23mil.... holy cow...
I have a hard time believing it's anywhere near that amount.
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$23 mil over 2 years for Thomas is just freakin nuts. Even something like $10 mil for 2 years is too much IMO unless a lot of the contract is incentive based.
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sportsnet just said "20m for 2yrs".
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Nov 15th, 2006 10:38 pm
$23 mil over 2 years for Thomas is just freakin nuts. Even something like $10 mil for 2 years is too much IMO unless a lot of the contract is incentive based.
It is nuts. Jays overpaid... what else is new.

2 for $10M? Thats even nuttier. Thomas is coming off a MVP-type season. DeRosa got $13M/3 and he was a career backup before the season.

Baseball has new contract standards... everything will seem nuts now.
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We don't know how the incentives will factor into the contract. It's all speculation until then.

FT has some sick career numbers against The Big Unit and Mussina. Can't wait for him to feast on Yankee pitching.
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