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The Toronto Blue Jays/MLB Thread

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XFactor11 wrote:
May 18th, 2017 5:18 pm
2 game suspension for that?
People have gotten too soft and way too sensitive. The MLB should just let them play on.

What was he suppose to say that would have been politically correct? "You obtuse player"?
To be clear, this is the team suspending him for two games, not the MLB. The team suspended Yunel Escobar back then for three games, not the MLB.

The Yunel Escobar incident legitimately should have been more games by comparison to incidents before that, however, because the team themselves voluntarily suspended the player, the league viewed it with more leniency and saw no need to suspend further, although it can choose to do so.
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The quick pitch was not the issue as there were 0 runners on base, problem is the batter needs to be set and ready (not just in the box). Ump missed it
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The pitcher makes an illegal pitch;
Rule 8.05(e) Comment: A quick pitch is an illegal pitch. Umpires will judge a quick pitch as
one delivered before the batter is reasonably set in the batter’s box
. With runners on base the penalty is
a balk; with no runners on base, it is a ball. The quick pitch is dangerous and should not be permitted.

^ I believe that's what Pillar was upset about
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...looking at the replay again Pillar was clearly ready and set for the pitch. It was not a quick pitch.
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Ogata wrote:
May 18th, 2017 8:22 pm
Ceciliani on the dl haahhah who do you call up now..
dj smith can play CF and he was called up in time for this game
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Too bad I don't get points for Stroman's hitting in my pool. Only his pitching. :( haha.
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Ogata wrote:
May 18th, 2017 9:25 pm
Finally a Blue Jays Pitcher to hit a hr since..
..??
Mark Hendrickson.
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Don't piss these Jays off. Last year around this time JB had the flareup with Odour. came back from Texas and gave up something like 30 runs to Tampa and then took off. Hopefully more of the same this year.
BTW, the Rockies were 17-25 on May 18th 2007 and went on to make the playoffs with 90 wins.
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I was supposed to write down my notes yesterday, but because of the rain delay and the game ending late, I fell asleep on the couch in the 7th inning. Well, I will write it down anyways.

* Jose Bautista - MLB's greatest villain.Smiling Face With Sunglasses
* Blue Jays scored only 9 runs yesterday and not 10. :facepalm:
* Luke Maille - the email man delivers a homerun.Smiling Face With Sunglasses
* Marcus Stroman - the Blue Jays best two way player. Pitches good and jacks homeruns with the team's highest batting average.Smiling Face With Sunglasses
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kenchau wrote:
May 18th, 2017 6:02 pm
There was no one on-base.

Nothing wrong with a Quick Pitch, as it's exactly that, a quick pitch. An illegal motion, would have resulted in the umpiring rewarding the batter first base. Our guys quick pitch as well. There was one game where Stroman executed a quick pitch twice, and in my opinion, the batter was ready, however, the umpire didn't see it that way, and the batter was awarded first base.

But point being, it's very much a part of the game. Many pitchers quick pitch, including ours. There was simply no basis for Pillar to be upset about it.
So Ump can reward the batter first base? or just call for a re-pitch?

There's a line there which I think needs to be better defined as a pitcher can pitch in theory as soon as the batter has two feet in the box then.

I think this comes down to sportsmanship....you don't pitch when the guy isn't ready, just like in tennis. It's one thing to change timing and another to put it into play when you're not ready. I think Pillar was peeved because he wasn't ready not because he got quick pitched. If umps don't reward a "re-pitch" there will be more unsportsmanlike blurring of the line in the future.

I'm finding more and more sports are getting into playing head games now instead of the "old school" gentlemen's game.

Examples.
Football, they call timeout to "ice" the kicker just as the play is about to go down. New rule, you have to call a timeout before the kicker assumes his "starting" position.

Would it be fair to call time out just as you see the NBA player cock his wrist before he shoots a free throw. Perhaps a rule that says you have to call timeout before he positions himself at the line.

In tennis, some players intentionally take too long to get in position to receive serve to throw off timing of the server.
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blexann wrote:
May 18th, 2017 6:54 pm
The pitcher makes an illegal pitch;
Rule 8.05(e) Comment: A quick pitch is an illegal pitch. Umpires will judge a quick pitch as
one delivered before the batter is reasonably set in the batter’s box
. With runners on base the penalty is
a balk; with no runners on base, it is a ball. The quick pitch is dangerous and should not be permitted.

^ I believe that's what Pillar was upset about
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gr8dlr wrote:
May 19th, 2017 9:53 am
So Ump can reward the batter first base? or just call for a re-pitch?

There's a line there which I think needs to be better defined as a pitcher can pitch in theory as soon as the batter has two feet in the box then.

I think this comes down to sportsmanship....you don't pitch when the guy isn't ready, just like in tennis. It's one thing to change timing and another to put it into play when you're not ready. I think Pillar was peeved because he wasn't ready not because he got quick pitched. If umps don't reward a "re-pitch" there will be more unsportsmanlike blurring of the line in the future.

I'm finding more and more sports are getting into playing head games now instead of the "old school" gentlemen's game.

Examples.
Football, they call timeout to "ice" the kicker just as the play is about to go down. New rule, you have to call a timeout before the kicker assumes his "starting" position.

Would it be fair to call time out just as you see the NBA player cock his wrist before he shoots a free throw. Perhaps a rule that says you have to call timeout before he positions himself at the line.

In tennis, some players intentionally take too long to get in position to receive serve to throw off timing of the server.
It's not just having two feet in the box. The hitter doesn't even get to leave the box after every pitch - only under certain circumstances. Once they are deemed in the ready position, which is a judgement based on them being in their stance with arms up and bat ready to go, and looking up at the pitcher and not moving - they are ready.

Also, it's not like the pitcher can just quickly toss the ball across the plate. They still have to go through the motions with a set position pause, before they wind up and throw and they can only start all the motions after the hitter has been set. The only difference between a quick pitch and a normal one, is the wind up is less exaggerated and leg kick is near non-existent, and the pause is not as long.

Finally, the pitcher can't even start those motions until the batter is set. It's not like the pitcher is winding up before the batter is set, and by the time they finish, the ball leaves their hands just after the batter is set. That's not what's happening. Whether they wait 1 second versus 5 seconds after the batter is ready, is a moot point - both are legal.

It's like driving and Stop signs. Some people seem to think there is a 3 second rule, but there isn't. The vehicle just has to be completely stopped for an instance. You can choose to wait for three seconds, but it doesn't mean the person stopping for 1 second is breaking the rule. So if you think of a quick pitch as the 1 second stop versus conventional pitch, which is the 3 second stop, that's the difference.

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