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The Toronto Blue Jays/MLB Thread

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It may just be me but the Jays have a way of making all great pitchers look untouchable, good pitchers look like cy-young candidates, and all rookie pitchers look like top prospects...they only seem to hit against average pitchers they face a bunch of times.
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The Jay weren't making the playoffs with or without Joe Smith, Really we've been bad all season except for few weeks in May. This team is not good, can't hit and too slow.
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silky28 wrote:
Aug 30th, 2017 5:36 am
I'm not a big Martin hater but I don't think we should be judging his value by comparing him to Lopez etc. Offensively Martin's numbers are not that much better than Dioner Navarro's who over the last 3 years struck out about 12% less than Martin and has a slightly better batting average...but didn't earn the kind of money that Martin, the 2nd highest paid catcher in the league, takes home.
While, I can't dispute the numbers.

What you can't argue with is the fact that in Martin's previous 11 seasons, he has been in the playoffs in 9 of those seasons. In one of the seasons (2010) when they missed the playoffs, Martin got hurt. This season, same thing.

You can call it coincidence, but it is still fact.
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kenchau wrote:
Aug 30th, 2017 11:05 am
While, I can't dispute the numbers.

What you can't argue with is the fact that in Martin's previous 11 seasons, he has been in the playoffs in 9 of those seasons. In one of the seasons (2010) when they missed the playoffs, Martin got hurt. This season, same thing.

You can call it coincidence, but it is still fact.
And that was the only other time in his career that he played less than 100 games too.
This city need lightening rods anyway and he is one of them.
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I like Martin has a player. He also played a big role in some really exciting times when the team was winning the past couple years. Looking back, 2015 seems so long ago.

Personally I hope the team goes very young next year.
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Martin is fine, probably not worth the 20m he's getting but he's better than any other catcher we're trotting out there by far.

Travis seems to be a write off, suffering set back in rehab. Seems like his injury is chronic, so we'll be looking at a need for 2B, unless management is contempt with Goins (hope not)

Tulo is a sunk cost, nothing much you can do here.

JB probably gone next year, Morales needs to have a bounce back season. Need a healthy rotation + depth, stop running the Biagini SP experiment.

Question is whether or not JD will be resigned or be traded as we have so many holes.
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bobcat99 wrote:
Aug 29th, 2017 1:19 pm
Trading of Joe Smith marked the start of the dismantling for this season. Jays have blown 8 saves this month. If Smith's here you possibly have 3/4 additional wins which puts you back in the WC talk.
Jays are the Orioles were tied going into Chicago a mere 10 days ago. Orioles have jumped over 4 teams in the last couple of days and are only 1.5 back now.

On the bright side, you can get some really inexpensive seats especially when the Tigers and KC are visiting to watch this crap.

I hope everyone appreciates what Martin brings to the Jays, after seeing the clown show behind the plate since he has been out.
Can't wait to see Maile back soon. Wonder if noodle arm is going to blame the pitchers for not being to able to hold the runners tomorrow.

Did anyone think Morales should have been pinch run for in a 3-0 game?
Martin is the 2nd highest paid catcher in the game, I'm sure most of us were expecting more. much more.

1 Buster Posey $22,177,777
2 Russell Martin $20,000,000
3 Brian McCann $17,000,000
4 Yadier Molina $14,200,000
5 Miguel Montero $14,000,000
6 Matt Wieters $10,500,000
7 Francisco Cervelli $9,000,000
8 Jason Castro $8,500,000
9 Devin Mesoraco $7,325,000
10 Welington Castillo $6,000,000
11 Yasmani Grandal $5,500,000
12 Jonathan Lucroy $5,250,000
13 Evan Gattis $5,200,000
14 Yan Gomes $4,583,333
15 Carlos Ruiz $4,500,000
16 Salvador Perez $4,200,000
17 Wilson Ramos $4,000,000
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FlukeSkywalker wrote:
Aug 30th, 2017 5:32 pm
Martin is the 2nd highest paid catcher in the game, I'm sure most of us were expecting more. much more.

1 Buster Posey $22,177,777
2 Russell Martin $20,000,000
3 Brian McCann $17,000,000
4 Yadier Molina $14,200,000
5 Miguel Montero $14,000,000
6 Matt Wieters $10,500,000
7 Francisco Cervelli $9,000,000
8 Jason Castro $8,500,000
9 Devin Mesoraco $7,325,000
10 Welington Castillo $6,000,000
11 Yasmani Grandal $5,500,000
12 Jonathan Lucroy $5,250,000
13 Evan Gattis $5,200,000
14 Yan Gomes $4,583,333
15 Carlos Ruiz $4,500,000
16 Salvador Perez $4,200,000
17 Wilson Ramos $4,000,000
We have 2 of the highest paid catchers in the league.
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FlukeSkywalker wrote:
Aug 30th, 2017 5:32 pm
Martin is the 2nd highest paid catcher in the game, I'm sure most of us were expecting more. much more.

1 Buster Posey $22,177,777
2 Russell Martin $20,000,000
3 Brian McCann $17,000,000
4 Yadier Molina $14,200,000
5 Miguel Montero $14,000,000
6 Matt Wieters $10,500,000
7 Francisco Cervelli $9,000,000
8 Jason Castro $8,500,000
9 Devin Mesoraco $7,325,000
10 Welington Castillo $6,000,000
11 Yasmani Grandal $5,500,000
12 Jonathan Lucroy $5,250,000
13 Evan Gattis $5,200,000
14 Yan Gomes $4,583,333
15 Carlos Ruiz $4,500,000
16 Salvador Perez $4,200,000
17 Wilson Ramos $4,000,000
Martin is fine as a catcher. What more do you want from the guy? We made the playoffs the first 2 seasons of his contract. He's been in the playoffs multiple times with different teams and there's a reason for that -- he can handle a major league pitching staff. Really we had to sign him to the contract because what would have the alternative been? JP Arencibia? We know how much of a disaster that guy was. Couldn't walk and couldn't catch if his life depended on it.

The catchers on other teams better than Martin were drafted and groomed by their respective teams so it's not like the Jays can get them. Yadier Molina, Salvador Perez and Buster Posey have been with the same team their whole careers. Besides we got some possible good catching prospects coming up in Danny Jansen and former 1st round pick Max Pentacost -- I'd rather have Russell Martin tutor them when they come up to the big leagues.
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I was a fan of Mayza up until today. A lefty that can't hold a runner on 1st is pretty useless. I hope he's better than he's shown
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Jays are just awful to watch. Goins, Barney, Refsnyder, Lopez wouldn't make the bench lineup on most teams. Rest of the team is bottom 5 in the MLB in most batting stats which means they suck. Pitching most categories is average in most stats in the middle of MLB league average.
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162 wrote:
Aug 30th, 2017 9:44 pm
Jays are just awful to watch. Goins, Barney, Refsnyder, Lopez wouldn't make the bench lineup on most teams. Rest of the team is bottom 5 in the MLB in most batting stats which means they suck. Pitching most categories is average in most stats in the middle of MLB league average.
Yes awful to watch but incorrect on your other points. Goins, Barney and Refsnyder would be bench players on most teams. Lopez doesn't really belong but there's a shortage of good catchers through out the league. I haven't checked your bottom 5 statement but do know we have JD and Smoak 2 of the best hitters in the league and Stroman one of the top pitchers in all baseball. Stroman has 18 quality starts- Sale has 21.

Maybe just enjoy watching those players to curb your frustration.
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Looking forward to seeing some new blood. September 1st coming soon.
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blexann wrote:
Aug 30th, 2017 9:51 pm
Yes awful to watch but incorrect on your other points. Goins, Barney and Refsnyder would be bench players on most teams. Lopez doesn't really belong but there's a shortage of good catchers through out the league. I haven't checked your bottom 5 statement but do know we have JD and Smoak 2 of the best hitters in the league and Stroman one of the top pitchers in all baseball. Stroman has 18 quality starts- Sale has 21.

Maybe just enjoy watching those players to curb your frustration.
Goins is literally one of the worst hitters of all time that has a decent number of at bats. His defense has also declined a lot over the years.
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toeknee89 wrote:
Aug 31st, 2017 1:43 am
Goins is literally one of the worst hitters of all time that has a decent number of at bats. His defense has also declined a lot over the years.
Do you just look at total season/career stats or did you consider what a difference playing everyday does?

Last 28 days: .286/.322/.381 - 2 HRs, 15 RBIs

2017 RISP: .358/.391/.580 - 4 HRs, 46 RBIs

Hardly the worst hitter of all time or on the Jays for that matter.

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