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The Toronto Blue Jays/MLB Thread

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toeknee89 wrote:
Aug 31st, 2017 1:43 am
Goins is literally one of the worst hitters of all time that has a decent number of at bats. His defense has also declined a lot over the years.
I'll take Goins over Bautista right now. Face With Tears Of Joy

Can't believe we kept Bautista. The dude keeps whiffing at balls and then blames the poor bat. He is atrocious defensively as well.
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Wilmega wrote:
Aug 30th, 2017 9:00 am
The Jay weren't making the playoffs with or without Joe Smith, Really we've been bad all season except for few weeks in May. This team is not good, can't hit and too slow.
It could be argued that even when the Jays made the playoffs in 2015 and 2016, they weren't exactly a really good team.

In 2015 they had to win 11 consecutive games TWICE in order to win the division and they were actually under .500 at the trade deadline until AA went all-in and brought in Tulo and Price.

Then in 2016 they had to squeak into the playoffs by winning a Wild Card spot, and if not for Edwin's big homer against Baltimore (and Showalter's ridiculous decision to bring in Jimenez instead of Britton) they may not have even advanced.

It's almost like the 2017 version of the Blue Jays is the "real" team and even though they've underperformed due to injuries, they probably still weren't good enough to win a WS.
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pintobean wrote:
Aug 31st, 2017 10:06 pm
It could be argued that even when the Jays made the playoffs in 2015 and 2016, they weren't exactly a really good team.

In 2015 they had to win 11 consecutive games TWICE in order to win the division and they were actually under .500 at the trade deadline until AA went all-in and brought in Tulo and Price.

Then in 2016 they had to squeak into the playoffs by winning a Wild Card spot, and if not for Edwin's big homer against Baltimore (and Showalter's ridiculous decision to bring in Jimenez instead of Britton) they may not have even advanced.

It's almost like the 2017 version of the Blue Jays is the "real" team and even though they've underperformed due to injuries, they probably still weren't good enough to win a WS.
You will lose this argument.
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pintobean wrote:
Aug 31st, 2017 10:06 pm
It could be argued that even when the Jays made the playoffs in 2015 and 2016, they weren't exactly a really good team.

In 2015 they had to win 11 consecutive games TWICE in order to win the division and they were actually under .500 at the trade deadline until AA went all-in and brought in Tulo and Price.

Then in 2016 they had to squeak into the playoffs by winning a Wild Card spot, and if not for Edwin's big homer against Baltimore (and Showalter's ridiculous decision to bring in Jimenez instead of Britton) they may not have even advanced.

It's almost like the 2017 version of the Blue Jays is the "real" team and even though they've underperformed due to injuries, they probably still weren't good enough to win a WS.
According to your logic, the Cubs shouldn't have been in the playoffs last year, they had a winning streak of 11 games and 8 games, and they shouldn't get in this year either they were below .500 at the break.
And the Indians had a 16 or 17 gamer last year and shouldn't have been there either.
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Everyone go back to April or the early part of the season and read the comments made on this thread for a good LOL.
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FlukeSkywalker wrote:
Aug 31st, 2017 11:16 pm
Everyone go back to April or the early part of the season and read the comments made on this thread for a good LOL.
did we all say it's too early to panic?
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FreshCo wrote:
Apr 30th, 2017 8:06 pm
Over/Under 60 wins?
bobcat99 wrote:
May 1st, 2017 11:10 am
Over by around 28. Think the 1989 Blue Jays who started of 12 and 24, and there was no wild card back then.
Here is mine...lol
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The first wave of call ups announced... Teoscar Hernandez, Michael Saunders, Carlos Ramirez, Luke Maile, and Richard Urena.
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tommo4lyfe wrote:
Aug 31st, 2017 11:41 pm
The first wave of call ups announced... Teoscar Hernandez, Michael Saunders, Carlos Ramirez, Luke Maile, and Richard Urena.
Saunders why? Are they looking at him for next year. Hopefully not.
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kenchau wrote:
Aug 31st, 2017 9:18 am
Do you just look at total season/career stats or did you consider what a difference playing everyday does?

Last 28 days: .286/.322/.381 - 2 HRs, 15 RBIs

2017 RISP: .358/.391/.580 - 4 HRs, 46 RBIs

Hardly the worst hitter of all time or on the Jays for that matter.
When I said all time I was referring to his career stats. Which puts him as one of the worst hitters with regular at bats EVER. Not just worst Jay. Also, you brought up a month small sample size where his OPS is 703, which is respectable, but you have to keep in mind that that is not his true talent. He's playing over his head and he's still barely a major league hitter. In comparison when Pillar was playing over his head he looked like a legitimate HOF for that short span.

Also, RISP is very situation and small sample size based. Not a repeatable skill.
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pintobean wrote:
Aug 31st, 2017 10:06 pm
It could be argued that even when the Jays made the playoffs in 2015 and 2016, they weren't exactly a really good team.

In 2015 they had to win 11 consecutive games TWICE in order to win the division and they were actually under .500 at the trade deadline until AA went all-in and brought in Tulo and Price.

Then in 2016 they had to squeak into the playoffs by winning a Wild Card spot, and if not for Edwin's big homer against Baltimore (and Showalter's ridiculous decision to bring in Jimenez instead of Britton) they may not have even advanced.

It's almost like the 2017 version of the Blue Jays is the "real" team and even though they've underperformed due to injuries, they probably still weren't good enough to win a WS.
You forgot Texas basically winning the game for the Jays by forgetting how to get outs before JBs homerun.
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FlukeSkywalker wrote:
Aug 31st, 2017 11:16 pm
Everyone go back to April or the early part of the season and read the comments made on this thread for a good LOL.
I called last place. Wasn't hard to see what was going to happen.
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tommo4lyfe wrote:
Aug 31st, 2017 11:41 pm
The first wave of call ups announced... Teoscar Hernandez, Michael Saunders, Carlos Ramirez, Luke Maile, and Richard Urena.
Im surprised Urena is getting the call, can't wait to see him.
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bobcat99 wrote:
Sep 1st, 2017 12:01 am
Saunders why? Are they looking at him for next year. Hopefully not.
He is a free agent at the end of the season. I guess he is worth a look because he is swinging a hot bat.
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I'm guessing they want to look at Urena due to the situation at 2nd base and maybe even SS. Travis with his injury history and Tulo possibly trending downwards with his batting ability + health.

Nothing wrong with Saunders call-up. He could have his swing back and he's still only 30 - so not washed up yet. Even EE had to go down to the minors for a brief period early in his Jays career to right himself before he became EE.
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