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Trudeau going after Personal Services Corps disguised as small businesses

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Jermyzy wrote:
Oct 6th, 2017 3:58 pm
So theoretically, could small business owners not create a trust as a shareholder of the business and transfer shares from business owner to the trust and have passive investments grow in the trust fund? The investments would then be protected from the new passive income tax rules like Trudeau's/Morneau's trust funds. Only downside is the added expense to create/administer the trust fund which may not be worthwhile for smaller businesses.
That is exactly what I am thinking of.
Find more people who are incorporated and find a legal way for all of us to work for the same business company and then continue to do all the things we used to do when we each had our own business.
The numbers will get us in the major leagues and potential savings can be achieved by sharing expenses
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The trust strategy already exists. They have to pass legislation to stop this, or every one will do it. I have always held off due to the costs of an estate freeze and lawyer fees. Now it's looking better and better.

But I believe the trust needs empty it's coffers by Dec 31st so it solves the dividend splitting issue but not the retained income issue.
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Well I'm in the process of restructuring my company anyways as our original accountant didn't set up our corporation properly and we have to do an estate freeze anyways. This is one of the options that was suggested to us, however we don't have any children yet and I don't think I can be both settlor and beneficiary haha!
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Jermyzy wrote:
Oct 7th, 2017 12:32 pm
Well I'm in the process of restructuring my company anyways as our original accountant didn't set up our corporation properly and we have to do an estate freeze anyways. This is one of the options that was suggested to us, however we don't have any children yet and I don't think I can be both settlor and beneficiary haha!
You can name your spouse, and future children as beneficiary, without naming them. So if you have children in the future it's a possibility.
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Jermyzy wrote:
Oct 7th, 2017 12:32 pm
Well I'm in the process of restructuring my company anyways as our original accountant didn't set up our corporation properly and we have to do an estate freeze anyways. This is one of the options that was suggested to us, however we don't have any children yet and I don't think I can be both settlor and beneficiary haha!
can you recommend some good link/book about the process. I usually like to understand things before I go to a professional
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Jul 20, 2017
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It is Thanksgiving time...
I would like to thank justin and morneau for their attention dedicated to small businesses that are not their own.
I also would like to thank them for granting 2 days of comment period for each billion of federal deficit for the fiscal 2017.
I also would like to thank them for having the discussion period in the quietest period of the political year when the attention of MP's was not distracted by other issues other then cottage life..
I would also would like to thank them for taking time from the important issues of deficits, Quebec refugees, Nafta, pipelines, etc. and spend it with us.
I also would like to thank them for forcing us to read the details of some strategies that we never read before.
I would like to throw them a symbolic verbal pumpkin pie to celebrate...but I can not afford even that...
I hope by next year they will even trust us with the details ....and we all will have trusts
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Jul 20, 2017
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Trudeau has found another super-rich target: employee discounts for retail workers....This seems pretty cynical on the day when 12k Sears workers are let go...
It seems they also punished the liberal 2 MP's who voted to extend the consultation period for the small business changes...Now that contradicts his promise of open government...Maybe trudeau should clarify how democracy works in the liberal party...
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Sebastian6300 wrote:
Oct 11th, 2017 1:11 pm
Trudeau has found another super-rich target: employee discounts for retail workers....This seems pretty cynical on the day when 12k Sears workers are let go...
It seems they also punished the liberal 2 MP's who voted to extend the consultation period for the small business changes...Now that contradicts his promise of open government...Maybe trudeau should clarify how democracy works in the liberal party...
This has been the law for decades. It's nothing new

What does Sears closing have to do with this multi decades old law?

It's so my company doesn't just gift me a car and house or vacation in lieu of portion or all of my pay to help me evade taxes

What is your issue with this in particular?
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FinancialFreedom wrote:
Oct 6th, 2017 2:10 pm
As much as I dislike most of Trudeau's policy, Jaggy Singh is a really bad news for the economy. Have you seen his platform?! It's socialism on fire.

NDP at the Federal level has never won in the past, but they have a slight chance; Jaggy Singh will take a few votes but I still maintain that T2 will still be in power for another term. Why? Andy Scheer. Trudeau will mop the floor with Scheer.
Jaggys platform

This website is like an SJW's wet dream. Being an upper class white male is gonna suck if he gets elected.
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MrWhiteCoffee wrote:
Oct 11th, 2017 1:32 pm
This has been the law for decades. It's nothing new

What does Sears closing have to do with this multi decades old law?

It's so my company doesn't just gift me a car and house or vacation in lieu of portion or all of my pay to help me evade taxes

What is your issue with this in particular?
If it has been the law, it has not been applied, and that is not fair..
How do you determine the actual price of a product? I frequently bargain with stores getting a lower then advertised price...Also the employee discounts are also given to friends and family...so how the heck are you going to deal with that.
As for sears, those poor guys won't have a job at all soon...maybe governments are killing those jobs?
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Jul 20, 2017
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A nice quote from the Toronto Sun:
Justin Trudeau is running out of other people’s money, and he signalled to CRA that they should go find more of it for him,” Poilievre said. “He’s raised gas taxes, home heating taxes, beer and wine taxes, payroll taxes, income taxes ... he’s running out of taxes to raise so I think the CRA has decided to get creative.”
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Dpack22 wrote:
Oct 11th, 2017 2:10 pm
Jaggys platform

This website is like an SJW's wet dream. Being an upper class white male is gonna suck if he gets elected.
Most of the tax burden falls under upper-middle-class. Truly rich folks are never touched (Morneau, our Finance Minister, shelters taxes by incorporating his company in Alberta even though he lives in Ontario). This is just one example.

All of this tax fairness and anti-poverty is just talk to win more votes. You don't lift poor people out of poverty by giving them a "fair wage" or giving them more money. Giving more money just enables them to demand for more, creating more entitled attitudents.
These politicians are clueless.
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Dpack22 wrote:
Oct 11th, 2017 2:10 pm
Jaggys platform

This website is like an SJW's wet dream. Being an upper class white male is gonna suck if he gets elected.
From what I read it's far less harmful to my pocket book than the Morneau plan. A small increase to the SBD rate, a tax bracket introduced at levels that barely touch me, and some business perks I don't care about (box seats and expensive meals).

The worst item is the cap gains inclusion increase, but that's not the end of the world. It's still better than interest income.
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mr_raider wrote:
Oct 11th, 2017 9:34 pm
From what I read it's far less harmful to my pocket book than the Morneau plan. A small increase to the SBD rate, a tax bracket introduced at levels that barely touch me, and some business perks I don't care about (box seats and expensive meals).

The worst item is the cap gains inclusion increase, but that's not the end of the world. It's still better than interest income.
Umm.. it starts small and then escalates from there on.

Remember that Trudeau wanted "modest" deficits. Turns out that he will end up putting us MORE in debt than Harper did!
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FinancialFreedom wrote:
Oct 11th, 2017 10:21 pm
Umm.. it starts small and then escalates from there on.

Remember that Trudeau wanted "modest" deficits. Turns out that he will end up putting us MORE in debt than Harper did!
In trudeau's mind present deficits are modest..just wait what is he capable of...
After all he is the one who coined the phrase:
THE BUDGET WILL BALANCE ITSELF !!!
Nobel committee should be watching..

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