The TRUTH about Crime and Cops

[zz000ter]

Crime is going DOWN
Is it because of demographics or policing?




Police budgets going UP



Police do not prevent crimes - police catch criminals.

Statistics from Statistics Canada

[D-Roc]

If you do not think that the presence of the Police do not deter or reduce crime, why not remove all cops from the road and see what happens.


Oh and why not contribute a little more than posting pics of stats and making a broad statement.

[BornRuff]

How do you figure that those numbers prove that cops don't prevent crime?

From the charts, it would appear that as spending on policing has increased, crime has gone down. There is certainly not enough here to prove a causal relationship, but it certainly doesn't disprove that either.

[deep]

...Police do not prevent crimes - police catch criminals...

Do you think the catching of criminals might have some effect on the prevention of crime? Possibly? Maybe? Both in terms of removing repeat offenders, and discouraging SOME potential criminals? Maybe? Possibly?

[DearSummer]

If you do not think that the presence of the Police do not deter or reduce crime, why not remove all cops from the road and see what happens.

The point is that the law of diminishing returns applies. As long as general law and order exists, adding more police does little to stop crimes from occuring.

[DearSummer]

Also, crime and police stats are notorious for being juked. They are amoung the most unreliable public statistics in my opinion.

[zz000ter]

Criminals all think they are smart and think they will not get caught.
Police are not a deterrent - if they were then there would be NO crime.
Not even the death penalty deters criminals.

What I wonder if why we need significantly growing police budgets
in an age where the amount and severity of crime is going down significantly

Do we want a police state?

Also, crime and police stats are notorious for being juked.
They are amoung the most unreliable public statistics in my opinion.

These are Statistics Canada stats.
How are they juked and unreliable?

What does the word JUKED mean ???

[RolandCouch]

Also, crime and police stats are notorious for being juked. They are amoung the most unreliable public statistics in my opinion.

Thanks for clearing that up.


I think it's pretty obvious that having BETTER policing = Less Crime.

[BornRuff]

Criminals all think they are smart and think they will not get caught.
Police are not a deterrent - if they were then there would be NO crime.
Not even the death penalty deters criminals.

What I wonder if why we need significantly growing police budgets
in an age where the amount and severity of crime is going down significantly

Do we want a police state?




These are Statistics Canada stats.
How are they juked and unreliable?

Police budgets go up and crime goes down.

Do you not give any consideration to the idea that those might be directly related?

Policing does not need to prevent all crime to prove it is effective. There will always be some people breaking the law, but police work to reduce that.

[D-Roc]

The point is that the law of diminishing returns applies. As long as general law and order exists, adding more police does little to stop crimes from occuring.

As I said before. Remove all cops from the road and lets see how long your "general law and order" that you claim would still exist, last.

[D-Roc]

Criminals all think they are smart and think they will not get caught.
Police are not a deterrent - if they were then there would be NO crime.
Not even the death penalty deters criminals.

What I wonder if why we need significantly growing police budgets
in an age where the amount and severity of crime is going down significantly

Do we want a police state?




These are Statistics Canada stats.
How are they juked and unreliable?

What does the word JUKED mean ???

I suggest you take a class on Criminology and you will come to realize that you can't make sweeping, generalized conclusions like you have.


And to say there would be no crime if police actually deter crime is so laughable.

[gilboman]

Thanks for clearing that up.


I think it's pretty obvious that having BETTER policing = Less Crime.

Better <> More (be it police, money)though

Besides, Better Policing should equate in more crime because more will be caught/reported?

[rems]

Better <> More (be it police, money)though

Besides, Better Policing should equate in more crime because more will be caught/reported?

No because a crime not happening is better than a criminal being caught.

[Agafaba]

Police do not prevent crimes - police catch criminals.

Thats all a police officer can do 99.99% of the time, the 0.01% being when a police officer is present before the crime happens. They do work as a deterrent though, people dont commit crimes because they are afraid of being caught after the fact. Having an over abundance of police doesnt necessarily reduce crime, but not having enough will cause it to go up.

[gilboman]

No because a crime not happening is better than a criminal being caught.

Whether a crime happens or not is not dependent on policing levels. Unless you are advocating a police state where the entire population is living in a prison.