A few points: I hear more people moan about the TTC than those who moan about highways. Its true, highway traffic can be miserable. I'd rather be in a car in traffic misery than armpit to armpit in a subway car. And yes, many people are proud of our highway system in Ontario. We would like to see it expanded. And yes, I'm aware of the Harris-Hwy 407 sell-off. That's part of why I didn't support the Harris government and was glad McGuinty gave them the boot many years ago. I was a part of that, I supported the downfall of the Conservatives in the early 00's. And for different reasons, why I'll be glad to see Wynne go. Her time has passed, they've had a chance to show what they're about. You're speaking with a political independent and someone who doesn't align with party. Many of us exist.engineered wrote: ↑Nov 10th, 2017 4:57 pmRight, so you should be very happy that many people are off the roads on transit so that there is room for us to drive. You say you only drive a couple KM where there's no traffic, so of course in your world transit doesn't make sense. Many people's car commute is in traffic and a horrible experience.
I've never heard of anyone "take pride" in our highways. People mostly moan about the poor drivers and bad traffic. You can't say you'll fund peoples buses when you want to take funding away and put it into needlessly rebuilding highways. Now you're back peddling your earlier claims.
You should talk to some from California about their massive highway system. Sitting in traffic on their HWY 405 is a common joke.
As for the 401, they probably spend more continuously rebuilding it in the same span of time as the $7 billion Eglington LRT. You still haven't explained how rebuilding something that's constantly being rebuilt is going to make it better.
You want more highway built but less spending.... how exactly would that work?
In a couple decades none of us will even be driving. Some autonomous electric taxi/bus will pick you up and take you to your destination.
Now you're trying to needlessly turn this into a political discussion. Traffic, cars, transit are not isolated to single party. They're all idiots who don't know how to run anything. Remember it was the Harris Tory gov't who sold the 407 for $3 billion when it was actually valued at $12 billion.
https://www.thestar.com/news/queenspark ... -cohn.html
Originally the 407 was to pay for itself and become a free public highway in approximately 30 years. The Tory government passed a law allowing the government to sell it off.
The conditions of the sale allow the new owners to set whatever toll rates it wants for the next 99 years.
I've been to Los Angeles, its functions well considering there's 18 million people between LA and Riverside. They have a terrific highway system and I'd hate to see an LA without it. That's kind of unrelated to Toronto.
Yes, I bought up politics. Sorry if you took offence. These discussions are inherently political because transit and highways and streets are funded by government. The discussion is intertwined. I didn't back-peddle any comments, what I was saying is that I support transit so long as its reasonably priced. I don't support $20 billion here, $10 billion there for transit boondoggles. This is especially true when alternative transit options exist in the tens or hundreds of millions. We're talking about the Wynne-Metrolinx-transit industry wasting tens of billions here, its not a small issue. Ontario is being bankrupted by these projects, and they sold off Hydro One to fund only a small part of it. This is an endless financial disaster for the people of Ontario. So yes, politics is involved.
P.S. the concept of no one driving? Well, in the 1960's the Jetsons had some people convinced we'd all be flying aircraft to work as well. We'll see if that is actually practical. I have no doubt the technology will be there, but we're having problems getting everyone into modern housing and jobs that pay enough. I have my doubts we're going to live in this world of no cars that you envision. Interesting to listen to, however.