The UFC Opened My Eyes To Over-Hyped Kung-Fu Grand Masters

[Kommander_KornFlakes]

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When I was a kid (pre 1993) I used to respect all these old chinese "grand masters" and 6th-grade karate black belts but after seeing all their students getting their butts whooped in the UFC I now have as much respect for all those "Kung-Fu Masters" as I have for dog poop in the grass at High Park

Brazilian streetfighter Royce Gracie challenged all those korean and chinese "grand masters" to prove their stuff with him in the Octagon and they refused. If they were so good they certainly would had accepted the challenge and beat this mouthy hoodlum to a pulp no? I'm chinese but I now have no respect for all those "masters" from the orient, where are all those Shaolin Monk masters in UFC fights? I have never seen one, they are too chicken to show up.

Even over-hyped mainstream boxers like Mike Tyson were challenged to a fight by Royce Gracie and he refused, proving once again that all the "greats" we grew up respecting are full of hot air when pushes comes to shoves.

Does anyone agrees here with me?

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[ullyeus]

"over hyped" is a bit harsh, what hype are you referring to?

[Kommander_KornFlakes]

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Over-hyped in the sense that we are made to believe they are the toughest of all fighters and the ultimate, when in fact some bar cowboy can whoop them in the UFC.

Here's a real video of real Shaolin Monks strutting their super-human abilities:

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=730_1174163540

Can those feats be enough to beat up Americans and Brazilian fighters in the UFC?

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[deep]

I don't know why you'd compare the two, really. Shaolin Kung Fu today doesn't have a whole lot to do with traditional values and discipline, nor does it really focus on the domination of another martial artist in a closed arena combat. As that is the ONLY focus of the UFC fighter, they would have a huge advantage over the average Shaolin "monk" (who probably isn't a monk at all, at this point in time) in a cage match.

This guy says it pretty well: http://batgwa.com/squat/article.php?articleId=11....er, right until the end when he claims the "Buddha Palm" as portrayed in Kung Fu Hustle really exists. Maybe a slight exagerration.

[CSR]

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When I was a kid (pre 1993) I used to respect all these old chinese "grand masters" and 6th-grade karate black belts but after seeing all their students getting their butts whooped in the UFC I now have as much respect for all those "Kung-Fu Masters" as I have for dog poop in the grass at High Park

Brazilian streetfighter Royce Gracie challenged all those korean and chinese "grand masters" to prove their stuff with him in the Octagon and they refused. If they were so good they certainly would had accepted the challenge and beat this mouthy hoodlum to a pulp no? I'm chinese but I now have no respect for all those "masters" from the orient, where are all those Shaolin Monk masters in UFC fights? I have never seen one, they are too chicken to show up.

Even over-hyped mainstream boxers like Mike Tyson were challenged to a fight by Royce Gracie and he refused, proving once again that all the "greats" we grew up respecting are full of hot air when pushes comes to shoves.

Does anyone agrees here with me?

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And all this time I thought you were not.

[ullyeus]

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Over-hyped in the sense that we are made to believe they are the toughest of all fighters and the ultimate, when in fact some bar cowboy can whoop them in the UFC.

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I've never thought that, nor do I know anyone who has.

[Peckerwood]

I have seen plenty of flaky "masters" in my day...but I have also seen some seriously dangerous people that you would never want to put into the "octagon". The prime problem with the octagon is that there are rules...no gouging...no biting...etc etc.

Drive your thumbs into some guy's eyes and let's see how well he can fight on the ground or in any form for that matter. Go Mikey on his ass and tear off an ear with your teeth and see if his mental structure is still intact.

No weapons

See how well any of these MMA UFC guys do on the streets against some thug with a knife.

The problem is in the focus of the training. They train for a ring...a controlled environment where everyone walks away after shaking hands etc. You can't even remotely compare that with anything you would ever see on the street.

As for comparing them to flaky masters...well that is a different story altogether. Anybody sticking to tradition(blind worship of all things antiquated) and failing to observe body physics will fail miserably in any fight.

Techniques evolve...and so too must defenses to said techniques.

Jersey any MMA UFC guy and I bet he would be severely compromised in a fight...unless he trained on it of course

[felixdd]

i'm not an expert but have talked to people who do Chinese martial arts.

First of all, some of Chinese Wushu and Shaolin stuff are more acrobatic and art than actual fighting. Those would be ill-suited to the octagon.

Secondly, UFC fighters train with UFC, and its rules, in mind. Martial artists train for a much broader application. A lot of moves would be deemed illegal by UFC standards.

Thirdly, refusal to fight does not signify weakness. In fact I would say it signifies strength. Most (if not all) martial arts that takes itself seriously stresses discipline over rage, and that the best way to win a fight is to not have fought at all.

[CSR]

i'm not an expert but have talked to people who do Chinese martial arts.

First of all, some of Chinese Wushu and Shaolin stuff are more acrobatic and art than actual fighting. Those would be ill-suited to the octagon.

Secondly, UFC fighters train with UFC, and its rules, in mind. Martial artists train for a much broader application. A lot of moves would be deemed illegal by UFC standards.

Thirdly, refusal to fight does not signify weakness. In fact I would say it signifies strength. Most (if not all) martial arts that takes itself seriously stresses discipline over rage, and that the best way to win a fight is to not have fought at all.

So to win by intimidation? Like nuclear bombs?

[OceanDrop]

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Can those feats be enough to beat up Americans and Brazilian fighters in the UFC?-

Come on, give some respect to the Canadians too! With the exception of Starnes...lol

Honestly, I think it's just a difference in style. MMA is such a dominant sport because of all the different aspects it encompasses.

I think that the Lesnar/Mir fight points that out nicely...here you've got a big brute of a guy with dominant wrestling skills, that gets tapped by a kneebar, which is something that's relatively simple to defend against if you're familiar with bjj.

[felixdd]

So to win by intimidation? Like nuclear bombs?

Yes. That and the threat of having a kamehameha rammed up your....

[sexpuppet6000]

You are pretty ignorant man.

Shaolin martial arts is not used to beat another guy until he don't know what whats. It isn't used in a friggin cage, nor to sell protien shakes, or sell seats in a la casino.



So if there was a gun fight to the death. Would professional sharp shooters be considered chicken sh|t for not wanting to compete?

jezzz.

[hoopsandyoyo]

its like a football player challenging a rugby player to football.

not the same.

ps. I love how you point out your race; as if it strenghtens your point of view.

[CSR]

You are pretty ignorant man.

Shaolin martial arts is not used to beat another guy until he don't know what whats. It isn't used in a friggin cage, nor to sell protien shakes, or sell seats in a la casino.



So if there was a gun fight to the death. Would professional sharp shooters be considered chicken sh|t for not wanting to compete?

jezzz.

It's used to sell hollywood movies

[vrus]

its like a football player challenging a rugby player to football.

not the same.

ps. I love how you point out your race; as if it strenghtens your point of view.

the rugby player would still win anyways