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bylo wrote:
Jul 15th, 2017 9:29 am
How does one improve the quality of their posts when the downvotes convey no information about why they were cast, i.e. what was it about the quality of the post that the downvoter found to be objectionable?

I appreciate that sometimes it's obvious, e.g. a blatantly rude comment(*). Even so, one person's interpretation of rudeness may not reflect the poster's intent. Or perhaps the poster's command of English isn't good enough to realize that their language is taken as rude. Or maybe the poster didn't realize that their comment was a double-entendre, etc.

But often the reason isn't so obvious. How does a poster know if their post got downvoted because it contained factually incorrect information, expressed a (respectful or not) opinion that the downvoter disagreed with, wasn't a "deal" in the downvoter's opinion, violated one of the posting rules of this forum (and if so, which one?)(*), was a duplicate of some other thread, contained a spelling/grammatical error, was clicked in error (the two icons are side-by-side), etc?

P.S. (*) in these cases ISTM a more appropriate action would be to report the post rather than downvote it. That would result in faster intervention by the moderators.
I agree. We did ask for visibility on votes. Not only who voted, but why. Can't improve if people just hide behind their votes. We'll see what the admins decide.

That being said...he has received a lot of downvotes. Over 500. I'm sure he can figure out why just by reviewing his post history. That being said, he's also received nearly triple that in up-votes. So while many do find his posts useful, 30% are in disagreement or some other reason we don't know of, due to lack of visibility.
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bylo wrote:
Jul 15th, 2017 9:29 am
How does one improve the quality of their posts when the downvotes convey no information about why they were cast, i.e. what was it about the quality of the post that the downvoter found to be objectionable?

.........

But often the reason isn't so obvious. How does a poster know if their post got downvoted because it contained factually incorrect information, expressed a (respectful or not) opinion that the downvoter disagreed with, wasn't a "deal" in the downvoter's opinion, violated one of the posting rules of this forum (and if so, which one?)(*), was a duplicate of some other thread, contained a spelling/grammatical error, was clicked in error (the two icons are side-by-side), etc?

.......
I don't know what the RFD management was thinking when they introduced down voting and with that, don't know what they wanted to achieve. It would be a respectful gesture to all members if they would let us know the why and the what of this system.
I have lots of down votes...some going back almost 10 years but they are scattered about. Clearly someone is or was searching old posts just to down vote. I have reported them but they do not get removed. Anyway, I have come to think of downvoting as relaying I do not agree with the post or, is factually incorrect, as you indicated.
So, has this downvoting made the topic better or just enraged the people receiving them? I was all for trying to make them visible but now I think if RFD did that, there would be nothing more than revenge voting going on. It just brings up the question again, why is there even down votes. What is the reason, objective or outcome besides a long thread like this (and others) and, it seems people leaving RFD?

Good luck in your venture WorldIRC :)
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:lol: you are all wasting words here. I am not serious. @TomRFD told me to PM him to discuss it. I didn't because I don't care. I get downvotes usually because I argue with anyone who is wrong, and then some don't even accept they are wrong. Smiling Face With Open Mouth And Smiling Eyes I have a never-expiring infraction for Rudeness with contributions from @coolintheshade and @MrDisco. I received 7~% of my downvotes just yesterday from the [Public Mobile] $50/month 6GB not LTE thread. Smiling Face With Sunglasses

@bylo is right by the way. I was downvoting all spelling mistakes I notice, posts I don't like, and some people's posts without even reading. Now, I reply to them and receive my own downvotes.

@Quentin5 maybe learn the definition of desperate before using it again.
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WorldIRC wrote:
Jul 15th, 2017 8:21 am
My personal opinion is that you may wish to consider improving the quality of your posts in an effort to avoid receiving downvotes.
I agree that a poor quality post may yield someone down voting it. I like to think that I post relevant or well though out opinions / advice. I find that I will get a down vote simply because someone doesn't agree with my opinion.

I have since refrained from voting. The system is abused and I just ignore it. If you don't agree with my opinion, feel free to down vote it. It doesn't affect who I am.

For the record, I have never given a down vote to anyone. If I thought a deal was poor or I didn't agree with their comment. I may post a reply, but I would never down vote it.

For some strange reason, I have one down vote registered in my profile and I am positive I have never given one.
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Gee wrote:
Jul 15th, 2017 4:50 pm
I have since refrained from voting.
I think upvoting is a good way to show one's general appreciation with a post. An explanation isn't necessary but, of course, you can always give it by way of a Reply.
For the record, I have never given a down vote to anyone...For some strange reason, I have one down vote registered in my profile and I am positive I have never given one.
As I said above, the two icons are side-by-side so it's not that hard to click on the wrong one by accident. You can PM a moderator to have that downvote erased from your Profile.
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hvwozq wrote:
Jul 15th, 2017 3:23 pm
@Quentin5 maybe learn the definition of desperate before using it again.
@hvwozq maybe stop contradicting yourself in this thread, now you will deny your doing it, then i will point out examples then you will explain them away then the cycle continues :facepalm:
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bylo wrote:
Jul 15th, 2017 5:04 pm
I think upvoting is a good way to show one's general appreciation with a post. An explanation isn't necessary but, of course, you can always give it by way of a Reply.
I rather post a thank you. The abuse of down voting has given the entire voting system no credibility in my opinion. I rather not participate. I've stopped voting since they switched to phpBB

@WorldIRC - if you can remove down votes, I would greatly appreciate if you removing my one down vote, since I have no idea of how that was given.
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Quentin5 wrote:
Jul 15th, 2017 6:24 pm
@hvwozq maybe stop contradicting yourself in this thread, now you will deny your doing it, then i will point out examples then you will explain them away then the cycle continues :facepalm:
Yeah, why don't you go ahead and point out examples? You can't even read. If I had PMed @TomRFD and had he said No, then what I am doing here would be desperation. If I wanted my downvoting ability back, I would PM him, not whine here like some people come here to do.

While you are at it, learn the difference between your and you're as well.
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hvwozq wrote:
Jul 15th, 2017 7:48 pm
While you are at it, learn the difference between your and you're as well.
While your at it quit while your ahead (and i'm being generous by saying ahead) Smiling Face With Open Mouth
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Quentin5 wrote:
Jul 15th, 2017 7:51 pm
While you're at it quit while you're ahead (and i'm being generous by saying ahead) Smiling Face With Open Mouth
Another waste of forum space. No wonder you have almost 13k posts in ~3.5 years.
The only reason I am even replying to your nonsense is because I can't downvote. :lol:
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hvwozq wrote:
Jul 15th, 2017 7:58 pm
Another waste of forum space. The only reason I am even replying to your nonsense is because I can't downvote. :lol:
Funny that i once said you should be given that ability back Face With Tears Of Joy
hvwozq wrote:
Jul 15th, 2017 7:58 pm
Another waste of forum space. No wonder you have almost 13k posts in ~3.5 years.
You make a very good point, why am i replying to you?
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Gee wrote:
Jul 15th, 2017 7:39 pm
I rather post a thank you. The abuse of down voting has given the entire voting system no credibility in my opinion. I rather not participate. I've stopped voting since they switched to phpBB

@WorldIRC - if you can remove down votes, I would greatly appreciate if you removing my one down vote, since I have no idea of how that was given.
Moderators cannot remove downvotes, you can message TomRFD and he will take care of it for you.
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Mars2012 wrote:
Jul 15th, 2017 8:06 pm
Moderators cannot remove downvotes, you can message TomRFD and he will take care of it for you.
Can you tell what he downvoted, i think he can then remove himself?
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Quentin5 wrote:
Jul 15th, 2017 8:07 pm
Can you tell what he downvoted, i think he can then remove himself?
No, I can only see who gave him the downvotes.
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Mars2012 wrote:
Jul 15th, 2017 8:10 pm
No, I can only see who gave him the downvotes.
I see, and it would be most inefficient to check every RFD member to see who is the recipient of his downvote Smiling Face With Open Mouth And Smiling Eyes
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