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Vatican to hold Islamic prayers for the first time in history

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bobbings wrote:
Mar 19th, 2017 4:58 pm
Legit question but would reverse be okay as well?

Gotta be okay for both ways I would assume.
lubmar wrote:
Mar 19th, 2017 6:22 pm
in Mecca ? ... good luck ... Face With Tears Of Joy
Redsanta wrote:
Mar 19th, 2017 10:27 pm
Need to be equality...lets see if "religion of peace" allows Christianity in the mecca
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Mar 19th, 2017 10:32 pm
Lmao nice one! Face With Tears Of Joy
- The Ashtiname of Muhammad, also known as the Covenant or Testament (Testamentum) of the Islamic Prophet Muhammad, is a document which is a charter or writ ratified by the Islamic prophet Muhammad granting protection and other privileges to the Christian. Original letter below.
- Prophet Muhammad expressed great contempt for a Muslim who mistreats a non-Musim. He warned:

He who unfairly treats a non-Muslim living in a Muslim State, or undermines his rights, or burdens him beyond his capacity, or takes something from him without his consent; I will be his opponent on the Day of Judgment.

- It is well-known that Islam equates the killing of one person to the killing of all humanity (Quran)

My Point: People pick what resonates with them from the system / religion they are in. There are peace options in Islam, there are fighting options in Islam. If you have pre-concieved idea and start looking for it in any system (capitalism, socialism, communism, religion, etc) - you will certain find it.

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DiceMan wrote:
Mar 19th, 2017 10:52 pm
At its core, isn't it a meaningless act to allow Islamic prayers in the Vatican? I mean the Pope, as the head of Catholosism, would have complete faith that his and only his religion is the utter truth of how the universe works. If the Pope doesn't believe this then he shouldn't be Pope. Now, in having Islamic prayers to Allah in the city of God and his son Jesus, wouldn't the Pope (and presumably the rest of Christianity) consider that the Muslims are praying to a complete fallacy and disregard the prayers as pure fiction? I'd think to Catholics, it would be nothing more than having a screening of Star Wars Rogue One in the Vatican.

And the same comments apply to having Christian prayers in Mecca.
I think the current Pope is on right track but he is moving a bit too fast (and maybe too far in certain aspects). Lets hope, his efforts of peace will bring a positive change in the world :)
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Mar 20th, 2017 7:32 am
Jesus Christ is the god ... and not 2nd rate prophet ...
Dont you mean God?
lubmar wrote:
Mar 20th, 2017 10:08 am
common ground for Jews, Christians and Muslims in Mecca ? Why not ?
How will we make money from wars if two biggest groups live in peace? :p
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Mar 20th, 2017 3:04 pm
- The Ashtiname of Muhammad, also known as the Covenant or Testament (Testamentum) of the Islamic Prophet Muhammad, is a document which is a charter or writ ratified by the Islamic prophet Muhammad granting protection and other privileges to the Christian. Original letter below.
- Prophet Muhammad expressed great contempt for a Muslim who mistreats a non-Musim. He warned:

He who unfairly treats a non-Muslim living in a Muslim State, or undermines his rights, or burdens him beyond his capacity, or takes something from him without his consent; I will be his opponent on the Day of Judgment.

- It is well-known that Islam equates the killing of one person to the killing of all humanity (Quran)

My Point: People pick what resonates with them from the system / religion they are in. There are peace options in Islam, there are fighting options in Islam. If you have pre-concieved idea and start looking for it in any system (capitalism, socialism, communism, religion, etc) - you will certain find it.

The big question is, why do people in any religion decide to use violence to dominate others including their own religion members?

Not picking on Islam here, but lately is them where in previous years it was the Northern Ireland groups going at it and earlier then it was the Jewish pogroms and expulsions. If someone could figure that out and a way to prevent radicalization from any faith or any lack of faith, then that person deserves a Nobel prize and our undying adoration.

I don't are what anyone believes in, but nobody has any right whatsoever to use it as a weapon.

Just my 2 cents here and I do agree with you where I've quoted. I did snip the image because no need to see it again IMO.
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saadt1988 wrote:
Mar 20th, 2017 11:05 am
nice.....the amount of atheist in this forum....its pretty surprising huh........thinking they are some kool kids if they don't follow any religion lol
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king_george wrote:
Mar 20th, 2017 3:31 pm
The big question is, why do people in any religion decide to use violence to dominate others including their own religion members?
A smart old man once told me: "When elephants fight, its the grass that suffers".

Everything is politicised today. Everyday man everywhere in the world is the same, they just want to do jobs / business , do things with family and some recreation travel / hobby.

War create exceptional circumstances and bring the best / worse in people - at the same time a lot of it is fabricated. We don't know what is really truth ... at least from 50 years from now.

I do believe people are inherently good.

Humans are complicated creature, so we have complex problems and solutions. There is no simple answer.

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Dumbbelldore wrote:
Mar 20th, 2017 4:01 pm
craziest peeps r those who think they rn't crazy
exactly!
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king_george wrote:
Mar 20th, 2017 3:31 pm
The big question is, why do people in any religion decide to use violence to dominate others including their own religion members?

Not picking on Islam here, but lately is them where in previous years it was the Northern Ireland groups going at it and earlier then it was the Jewish pogroms and expulsions. If someone could figure that out and a way to prevent radicalization from any faith or any lack of faith, then that person deserves a Nobel prize and our undying adoration.

I don't are what anyone believes in, but nobody has any right whatsoever to use it as a weapon.

Just my 2 cents here and I do agree with you where I've quoted. I did snip the image because no need to see it again IMO.
Because people don't know their own religion. Islami is completely against any form of violence or converting by force. Just because you see some people like ISIS doing it, does not mean they are following Islami. They dont know anything about islam
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saadt1988 wrote:
Mar 20th, 2017 4:59 pm
Because people don't know their own religion. Islami is completely against any form of violence or converting by force. Just because you see some people like ISIS doing it, does not mean they are following Islami. They dont know anything about islam
When will non believers be allowed inside Mecca?
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saadt1988 wrote:
Mar 20th, 2017 4:59 pm
Because people don't know their own religion. Islami is completely against any form of violence or converting by force. Just because you see some people like ISIS doing it, does not mean they are following Islami. They dont know anything about islam
what is this islami you speak of. first i've heard of it. is it another word for baloney?
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saadt1988 wrote:
Mar 20th, 2017 12:57 pm
You call yourself evolved by believing universe came into existence magically by itself?
I can't help but point out that you are the one who believes the universe was created by magic (ie mysterious supernatural forces ) and we're the ones who believe it came about by naturalistic means.
saadt1988 wrote:
Mar 20th, 2017 12:57 pm
You call urself evolved because you think that we humans evolved from ape looking creatures?
You realize that we are apes? Apes are members of the superfamily Hominoidea, which contain two extant families, Hylobatidae and Hominidae. Hominidae contains the genus Homo, which contains our species, Homo sapiens. We didn't only come from apes, we ARE apes. Given that we are apes, it shouldn't be the slightest bit surprising that our ancestors were also apes.
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PrinceMS wrote:
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- The Ashtiname of Muhammad, also known as the Covenant or Testament (Testamentum) of the Islamic Prophet Muhammad, is a document which is a charter or writ ratified by the Islamic prophet Muhammad granting protection and other privileges to the Christian. Original letter below.
- Prophet Muhammad expressed great contempt for a Muslim who mistreats a non-Musim. He warned:

He who unfairly treats a non-Muslim living in a Muslim State, or undermines his rights, or burdens him beyond his capacity, or takes something from him without his consent; I will be his opponent on the Day of Judgment.
The key word here is "unfairly." Lets bear in mind that Mohammed had slaves, so to him, treating someone unfairly might mean something else entirely. It's a completely subjective term. And if we look at the example that Mohammed gave, he waged wars of aggression, he robbed caravans, he took sex slaves, he forced conversion at the point of a sword, he demanded that homosexuals be murdered. Given that he didn't seem to consider this treatment "unfair" there's not much reason to believe that he would have contempt for those who do the same things today.

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Mar 20th, 2017 3:04 pm
- It is well-known that Islam equates the killing of one person to the killing of all humanity (Quran)
That's completely incorrect. That doesn't appear anywhere in the Koran. You're probably thinking of 5:32

"Because of that, We decreed upon the Children of Israel that whoever kills a soul unless for a soul or for corruption [done] in the land - it is as if he had slain mankind entirely. And whoever saves one - it is as if he had saved mankind entirely. "

https://quran.com/5/32

It's a special case for Jews, Muslims aren't bound by this. And even if they were, pay attention to the use of the word "corruption." Again, it's a subjective word, but it most likely means opposing Islam or breaking Islamic law. This permits all sorts of actions that we would consider atrocities. And again, refer to the example of Mohammed, there's really nothing that ISIS does that he didn't either do or command.

My Point: People pick what resonates with them from the system / religion they are in. There are peace options in Islam, there are fighting options in Islam. If you have pre-concieved idea and start looking for it in any system (capitalism, socialism, communism, religion, etc) - you will certain find it.[/quote]

I don't agree at all, and I don't see how you could equivocate these things. Islam clearly and explicitly commands that you execute homosexuals and apostates, socialism certainly does not. Capitalism doesn't declare itself the final revelation of god, unimprovable, unquestionable, and unalterable. Secular concepts rely on convincing arguments, while religion relies on faith - belief without evidence.
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ShoNuff2 wrote:
Mar 20th, 2017 5:52 pm
what is this islami you speak of. first i've heard of it. is it another word for baloney?
Spelling mistake....no time to correct it
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saadt1988 wrote:
Mar 20th, 2017 4:59 pm
Because people don't know their own religion. Islami is completely against any form of violence or converting by force. Just because you see some people like ISIS doing it, does not mean they are following Islami. They dont know anything about islam
who don't know their own religion ?
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saadt1988 wrote:
Mar 20th, 2017 6:37 pm
Spelling mistake....no time to correct it
twice? i think you were on to something. sounds like a whole lot of baloney to me.
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PrinceMS wrote:
Mar 20th, 2017 3:04 pm

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There are peace options in Islam, there are fighting options in Islam
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that I can agree with ... (more or less... )

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