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VW e-Golf starting at 36K

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Vuchko wrote:
Jan 11th, 2018 9:51 pm
I tried driving one at the Plug'n'Drive centre at Finch and Dufferin, and I liked it a lot. However, it was a very short ride so I'm not sure how it would feel to drive it for a longer time, and they're not available for test drives in dealerships.
flyboy320 wrote:
Jan 11th, 2018 9:56 pm
Both Bramgate VW and Georgetown VW have one for test drives.
As does Yorkdale VW.

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Thanks everyone for the responses.

I'd like to ask another question for those who have gone through the process with the deposit and the wait list. Did you negotiate the final price immediately when submitting the deposit, or should this happen only when the car arrives?

A dealer I've been talking to mentioned that we'd have to discuss the final deal only when the car is delivered. However, wouldn't this put me in a really bad position for negotiating? What would prevent him from insisting on a really bad deal, knowing that I'd lose my deposit if I walked away?
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Same with the dealer I went to, negotiations would occur when car comes since MSRP will change.

I think some here negotiated some terms, that the price would not be more than xxx should there be an increase.

AFAIK my dealer said if I didn't want the car any longer the deposit was refundable.

Either way you'd probably find someone to take over your spot very quickly, given the crap availability and high demand for this vehicle.
Vuchko wrote:
Jan 13th, 2018 8:47 pm
Thanks everyone for the responses.

I'd like to ask another question for those who have gone through the process with the deposit and the wait list. Did you negotiate the final price immediately when submitting the deposit, or should this happen only when the car arrives?

A dealer I've been talking to mentioned that we'd have to discuss the final deal only when the car is delivered. However, wouldn't this put me in a really bad position for negotiating? What would prevent him from insisting on a really bad deal, knowing that I'd lose my deposit if I walked away?
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mcg wrote:
Jan 14th, 2018 1:12 am
Same with the dealer I went to, negotiations would occur when car comes since MSRP will change.

I think some here negotiated some terms, that the price would not be more than xxx should there be an increase.

AFAIK my dealer said if I didn't want the car any longer the deposit was refundable.

Either way you'd probably find someone to take over your spot very quickly, given the crap availability and high demand for this vehicle.
Does this mean that for an e-Golf you can’t realistically hope to negotiate a deal much better than MSRP? (As one would normally expect when buying a new car.)

It doesn’t seem like you’d have much leverage in bargaining if you’ve already paid the deposit, and there are other eager buyers waiting in case you give up.
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Vuchko wrote:
Jan 14th, 2018 2:24 am
Does this mean that for an e-Golf you can’t realistically hope to negotiate a deal much better than MSRP? (As one would normally expect when buying a new car.)

It doesn’t seem like you’d have much leverage in bargaining if you’ve already paid the deposit, and there are other eager buyers waiting in case you give up.
I purchased a 2017 Ford Focus Electric below MSRP. My OTR price was $21500 with leather seats. MSRP was $33k so savings from MSRP was about 4k (also had $14k rebate). Although the Ford Focus Electric is only sold in Quebec for 2018, my point here is that EVs should be negotiated below MSRP.
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A question to anyone who recently got delivery of an egolf. What cables does it come with? I've heard it only comes with level 1 to plug into a normal socket. Anything I should look out for when I accept inspection/delivery in a few weeks?
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RedStrikeCa wrote:
Jan 14th, 2018 6:41 am
I purchased a 2017 Ford Focus Electric below MSRP. My OTR price was $21500 with leather seats. MSRP was $33k so savings from MSRP was about 4k (also had $14k rebate). Although the Ford Focus Electric is only sold in Quebec for 2018, my point here is that EVs should be negotiated below MSRP.
Ford vs VW. Demand vs offer. I've tried to get some sort of rebate. It's the price to pay to be the first in. Same thing when I bought my Golf R in 2016. Barely able to get 500$ off.
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RedStrikeCa wrote:
Jan 14th, 2018 6:41 am
I purchased a 2017 Ford Focus Electric below MSRP. My OTR price was $21500 with leather seats. MSRP was $33k so savings from MSRP was about 4k (also had $14k rebate). Although the Ford Focus Electric is only sold in Quebec for 2018, my point here is that EVs should be negotiated below MSRP.
You didn't negotiate though, I think. You got either roadshow discount or employee price + Costco discount. Ford dealerships did not want to negotiate anything as demand was huge.
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Discounts are rare on EV's in Ontario, as noted, the Ford Focus EV discounts were offered for their entire range of vehicles, and the EV go caught up in them, forcing Ford dealers to sell the car below MSRP.

I negotiated $2500 off my new Smart ED, having been a previous owner, and knowing that the dealer was effectively not interested in selling the car, but pre-ordered a minimum set of vehicles to satisfy corporate Daimler requirements. Dealer will not be stocking Smart ED, you must custom order. It may be possible to negotiate, but I don't know.

Have seen a small number of posts in 2017 where people claimed to have received a discount on an EV purchase, but it's not the norm.
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my point here is that EVs should be negotiated below MSRP.
Average time to get EV in Ontario right now is 6 to 8 months, if you get lucky.
If you get unlucky, it could be up to 14 months, see post of JeffyStud in
here

You can negotiate all you want, but if there's 20 people in front of you, who's willing to pay MSRP for the same car,
I've got bad news for you.
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If one has to pay the full MSRP, then the price is quite high even with the government incentive. (I would have thought that as with other cars, one is expected to bargain for something significantly cheaper.)

The MSRP-based offer I saw from a dealer for a 3-year lease (which maximizes the value of the government incentive) comes to almost $800/month for the most basic version, and almost $900/month for the fully loaded one. After the $14,000 incentive, this means I'm looking at between $400 and $500 per month. That's still enough money to lease a very nice gas car, certainly one more luxurious than even the fully-loaded E-Golf.

There's of course the saving on gas, but I'd be driving this car only for everyday commuting and errands within the city, and using my other gas car for any trips where I'm going with the whole family, or where there is a significant distance. So I don't think I'd be doing more than 10-15 thousand kilometers per year. With a reasonably fuel-efficient gas car, that would be less than $100/month saving on gas even if electricity were free (which it isn't).

Am I missing something here, or is there really no good economic case for getting this car? (Unless maybe your daily commute distance happens to fall just short of its range, so you maximize the saving on gas while still being able to cover it?)

This still doesn't mean I wouldn't get it, as I really like it a lot. (I'm very attracted to both the traditional Golf design and the idea of driving an EV.) However, the question is whether I should realistically consider it as an expensive luxury rather than a cost-effective choice.
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Vuchko wrote:
Jan 14th, 2018 11:08 pm
If one has to pay the full MSRP, then the price is quite high even with the government incentive. (I would have thought that as with other cars, one is expected to bargain for something significantly cheaper.)

The MSRP-based offer I saw from a dealer for a 3-year lease (which maximizes the value of the government incentive) comes to almost $800/month for the most basic version, and almost $900/month for the fully loaded one. After the $14,000 incentive, this means I'm looking at between $400 and $500 per month. That's still enough money to lease a very nice gas car, certainly one more luxurious than even the fully-loaded E-Golf...
You have to do your own math... It's different for everybody. Most of the saving comes from the gas. For me, I'm trading a Golf R for an e-Golf. Since my Golf R is worth about the same as the e-Golf, I save all the taxes an I get a the government incentive.
I buy the car. I don't believe in leasing.

So I save about:
-240$/month of gas
-20$/month insurance
-100$/month car payment
-100$/month (credit for green car, toll bridge)
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Vuchko wrote:
Jan 14th, 2018 11:08 pm
If one has to pay the full MSRP, then the price is quite high even with the government incentive. (I would have thought that as with other cars, one is expected to bargain for something significantly cheaper.)

The MSRP-based offer I saw from a dealer for a 3-year lease (which maximizes the value of the government incentive) comes to almost $800/month for the most basic version, and almost $900/month for the fully loaded one. After the $14,000 incentive, this means I'm looking at between $400 and $500 per month. That's still enough money to lease a very nice gas car, certainly one more luxurious than even the fully-loaded E-Golf.

There's of course the saving on gas, but I'd be driving this car only for everyday commuting and errands within the city, and using my other gas car for any trips where I'm going with the whole family, or where there is a significant distance. So I don't think I'd be doing more than 10-15 thousand kilometers per year. With a reasonably fuel-efficient gas car, that would be less than $100/month saving on gas even if electricity were free (which it isn't).

Am I missing something here, or is there really no good economic case for getting this car? (Unless maybe your daily commute distance happens to fall just short of its range, so you maximize the saving on gas while still being able to cover it?)

This still doesn't mean I wouldn't get it, as I really like it a lot. (I'm very attracted to both the traditional Golf design and the idea of driving an EV.) However, the question is whether I should realistically consider it as an expensive luxury rather than a cost-effective choice.
Your lease numbers are off to me... A base model with the incentive in was $290 a month including tax and I am paying $370 a month for a car with tech and dap. This is based on a 36 month, 16,000km year lease at 0.98%.

If you reduced to 12,000km a year it would shave off another $10.00 approx per month based on the quotes I have from when I got the car.

Otherwise I agree that the use case is fairly narrow. It either fits or it doesn't. For me I was hard pressed to find a car that would lease for this amount, with the same amount of tech/build quality and had the monetary benefit of not using gas/needs of servicing as an ICE car (oil changes etc).
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typer100 wrote:
Jan 15th, 2018 9:03 am
You have to do your own math... It's different for everybody. Most of the saving comes from the gas. For me, I'm trading a Golf R for an e-Golf. Since my Golf R is worth about the same as the e-Golf, I save all the taxes an I get a the government incentive.
I buy the car. I don't believe in leasing.

So I save about:
-240$/month of gas
-20$/month insurance
-100$/month car payment
-100$/month (credit for green car, toll bridge)
I think you have a conservative amount of savings of gas per month. You'll probably save more than you think with the e-Golf, maybe up to double what you posted. I think it'll surprise you.
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Belzy77 wrote:
Jan 15th, 2018 11:22 am
Your lease numbers are off to me... A base model with the incentive in was $290 a month including tax and I am paying $370 a month for a car with tech and dap. This is based on a 36 month, 16,000km year lease at 0.98%.
If you don’t mind sharing, what residual do these lease numbers assume?

The quote I got had only 40% residual. So with MSRP+$1655 fees, just depreciation+fees would be about $23,500/$26,500 total obligation for basic vs. fully loaded. With 13% tax that would mean about $740/$830 per month. Add 2% interest and miscellaneous other costs/fees, and we get approximately to the $800/$900 pre-incentive figure I mentioned.

$14,000 over 36 months comes to about $390/month, so I’d still be on the hook for $400-$500 per month, depending on the options.

I don’t see how this could go down by over $100/month unless the residual is far higher. If my calculation is right, it would have to be over 45%.

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