Weight Loss Techniques

[BDSL]

I posted this a few days ago, but no one commented.

Just wanted to confirm that this guy is only losing water weight by working out in this thing, right? Temporary weight loss, right?

Cheers Thanks for your time and effort.

fogo

Temporary weight loss.

[D-Roc]

I posted this a few days ago, but no one commented.

Just wanted to confirm that this guy is only losing water weight by working out in this thing, right? Temporary weight loss, right?

Cheers Thanks for your time and effort.

fogo

I agree. Temporary. He will gain it back when he replenishes by drinking water. Those type of things are fads and I even saw one guy use a garabage bag...lol...We called him Glad from that day forward.

[fogo]

Cheers

[lexani]

You had an hour to waste? Lucky man. AND you spent it reading the blog I recommended?! Even better.
Did my post hit a nerve, because it looks like someone really loves their carbs?

Don't really care to be honest. Just wanted to see how you rebuttal since you preach a 'no carb' lifetsyle but your resources counter otherwise.

RFD should probably just ignore you? I think so.

[D-Roc]

Don't really care to be honest. Just wanted to see how you rebuttal since you preach a 'no carb' lifetsyle but your resources counter otherwise.

RFD should probably just ignore you? I think so.

He has a right to his opinion. I do not agree with him either. I love my carbs and I need them anyways.

[Sibica]

Don't really care to be honest. Just wanted to see how you rebuttal since you preach a 'no carb' lifetsyle but your resources counter otherwise.

RFD should probably just ignore you? I think so.

Why so angry about my lifestyle and what information I offer people, by using words like "preach" and "beloved" to comment about my suggestion to the OP?
Incidentally, low carb does not mean no carb. I'm sorry but I thought that was pretty self-explanatory. I do consume vegetables which do contain sugars and the occasional berry. Not to mention, as much as I try, I (and no one I'm sure) follows this lifestyle 100% of the time, all the time. I think that may be impossible really. I just do the best I can.
With respect to Mark's website, I find the information there to be very beneficial and inspiring. I obviously don't agree with everything there, nor do I follow what any one person recommends strictly. I do what I feel is best for me, and would suggest you do the same. If eating a lot of carbs is what works for you and you feel it's healthy for you, then go ahead. I however have looked at the scientific information out there (by authors like Gary Taubes, Dr. Bill Davis, Dr. John Briffa for example) and have come to the conclusion that eating "primal" or low carb is best for human beings. Regardless of one's fitness goals, I think we should focus on health, first and foremost, and as such, I find that low carb is most healthy.

I would suggest that you contribute something positive to the OP and address his question instead of attacking me for my views on health and diet.

[Sibica]

He has a right to his opinion. I do not agree with him either. I love my carbs and I need them anyways.

Thanks bro.

[poedua]

Don't really care to be honest. Just wanted to see how you rebuttal since you preach a 'no carb' lifetsyle but your resources counter otherwise.

RFD should probably just ignore you? I think so.

Well, given this is a weight loss thread, in any discussion of weight loss - especially within a training and or active lifestyle context - there certainly isn't any requirement for no or low carbs in my view in order to lose fat.. For the vast majority of otherwise healthy people, carbs in and of themselves aren't fattening - excess calories are.

As I've said before, if you're embracing training and an active lifestyle to help losing fat, your focus SHOULD be on carbs as making up the bulk of any generic training diet & program ( i.e and depending on how hard you train, carbs anywhere from 40% - 60 % in most cases ....IMO )

Again, there are bodybuilders who do a ton of training per week who are at 7% body fat ( where somewhere around 15% is considered healthy normal and most over fat guys may be at 22% or so ) who have carbs as the bulk of their diet - often around 40% - 55 % carbs.

In fact, Lyle McDonald - the ' alleged ' guru of the ultra low carb diet and author of " The Ketogenic Diet " - puts his baseline ' low fat training diet ' carb levels at about 40% - 50% carbs as well.

Ditto for elite hickey players - which requires the consumption of an ' athlete's ' diet that is high in carbs ( i.e. where carbs may make up as much as 60% - 65 % of their daily calories )to allow for optimum athletic performance. And even at those high carb intake levels, the body fat % of elite hockey players ( i.e NHL ) averages somewhere around a low 10% body fat.

So, in a nutshell, if you're really active and or you train you can have a moderate to high carb intake and still shred fat.

[FerrisB]

In fact, Lyle McDonald - the ' alleged ' guru of the ultra low carb diet and author of " The Ketogenic Diet " - puts his baseline ' low fat training diet ' carb levels at about 40% - 50% carbs as well.

It's so weird to repeatedly hear the names of people I was on usenet with years ago. Lyle and Patrick Arnold being the 2 big ones. In fact, I still have some misc.fitness.weights t-shirts that I made and distributed to forum members years ago.

http://www.trygve.com/mfw_roguesgallery.html

[Tijuana]

It's so weird to repeatedly hear the names of people I was on usenet with years ago. Lyle and Patrick Arnold being the 2 big ones. In fact, I still have some misc.fitness.weights t-shirts that I made and distributed to forum members years ago.

http://www.trygve.com/mfw_roguesgallery.html

Patrick Arnold is still kicking it. He has his own sub-forum on anabolicminds.

http://anabolicminds.com/forum/advan...ssion-patrick/

He is also the owner of E-Pharm which makes some really good products.

[Sibica]

Well, given this is a weight loss thread, in any discussion of weight loss - especially within a training and or active lifestyle context - there certainly isn't any requirement for no or low carbs in my view in order to lose fat.. For the vast majority of otherwise healthy people, carbs in and of themselves aren't fattening - excess calories are.

As I've said before, if you're embracing training and an active lifestyle to help losing fat, your focus SHOULD be on carbs as making up the bulk of any generic training diet & program ( i.e and depending on how hard you train, carbs anywhere from 40% - 60 % in most cases ....IMO )

Again, there are bodybuilders who do a ton of training per week who are at 7% body fat ( where somewhere around 15% is considered healthy normal and most over fat guys may be at 22% or so ) who have carbs as the bulk of their diet - often around 40% - 55 % carbs.

In fact, Lyle McDonald - the ' alleged ' guru of the ultra low carb diet and author of " The Ketogenic Diet " - puts his baseline ' low fat training diet ' carb levels at about 40% - 50% carbs as well.

Ditto for elite hickey players - which requires the consumption of an ' athlete's ' diet that is high in carbs ( i.e. where carbs may make up as much as 60% - 65 % of their daily calories )to allow for optimum athletic performance. And even at those high carb intake levels, the body fat % of elite hockey players ( i.e NHL ) averages somewhere around a low 10% body fat.

So, in a nutshell, if you're really active and or you train you can have a moderate to high carb intake and still shred fat.

Poedua, you are comparing the diets of elite athletes to people here on RFD? Is that right? I'm sorry to say this but I would say that anyone who comes on here asking for dietary advice is (1) well aware of the idea to cut calories and eat "sensibly" and (2) they have tried that approach unsuccessfully. But most importantly, they are not elite athletes with superior genetic profiles. There is a reason why well known athletes can basically eat what they like and perform at that level: genetics. They are at the top of the fitness gene pool and as such, are elite. You nor I could do what they do.

If it ever came off that I think low carb is the ONLY way to lose body fat and build muscle, I didn't mean to because it isn't. Yes, cutting calories will work in a lot of individuals, including myself. I was on a very high carb diet as you know, and was quite lean. But did so at the expense of muscle mass and strength. In fact, I had been moderate carb most my life, then went to high carb and now low carb. At all points, I was always reasonably lean and more than happy with my physique. But there was a difference in overall health. On low carb, I have no issues with energy going up and down, my overall strength has increased, I am much leaner while retaining most of my muscle mass, and all my blood values (inlcuding BP) have improved dramatically. I sleep better, get on the day better, don't have my insane mood swings, etc. Again, I am promoting this way of eating not only for its fat loss potential, but more importantly, for its health impact.

Yes, many people can do just fine cutting calories while eating high carb but for the chronic obese or "chubby" person who has tried that route unsuccessfully, try low carb. Research it, do it properly, and see how you go. I honestly can't believe the push-back I'm getting here for something that seems so obvious. Humans ate this way for ages and ages and now all of a sudden it's considered "controversial?" Come on!

[poedua]

Poedua, you are comparing the diets of elite athletes to people here on RFD? Is that right?

Nope

What I said as it pertains specifically to people on RFD is as follows ......

" For the vast majority of otherwise healthy people, carbs in and of themselves aren't fattening - excess calories are......if you're embracing training and an active lifestyle to help losing fat, your focus ( IMO ) should be on carbs as making up the bulk of any generic training diet & program ............So, in a nutshell, if you're really active and or you train you can have a moderate to high carb intake and still shred fat "

And as your low carb ' Ketogenic ' diet hero Lyle McDonald even pointed out, if you're active and involved in the most basic of exercise, his baseline ' low fat training diet ' calls for carb levels to make up the majority of your macros ..at about at about 40% - 50% carbs.

The elite athlete reference simply underscores Lyles' point that it's possible to shed fat while being active / training while still having the bulk of your macro nutrients coming from carbs (i.e 40%- 50 % ). On other words, for otherwise healthy people, carbs in and of themselves aren't fattening....excess calories beyond what your body requires is what makes you fat.

I'm sorry to say this but I would say that anyone who comes on here asking for dietary advice is (1) well aware of the idea to cut calories and eat "sensibly" and (2) they have tried that approach unsuccessfully.

C'mon. Really ?

Sorry, but your assumption that anyone who comes on here asking for dietary advice on this thread has (a) already created a sustained calorie deficit to try and lose fat and or (2 ) has created a sustained calories deficit and not lost any fat as a result is utter nonsense IMO.

But most importantly, they are not elite athletes with superior genetic profiles. There is a reason why well known athletes can basically eat what they like and perform at that level: genetics. They are at the top of the fitness gene pool and as such, are elite. You nor I could do what they do.

But their human physiology in terms of energy utilization works in the exact same way as yours and mine and as it does for other otherwise healthy people here on RFD. Whatever these athletes consume in terms of carbs, protein and fat gets broken down into glucose, fructose, galactose, amino acids and fatty acids respectively....just as it does like us.

You and I both know the reason they can can consume up to 60% carbs and not gain fat / maintain low body fat levels...and it has nothing to do with genetics as the primary reason.

If it ever came off that I think low carb is the ONLY way to lose body fat and build muscle, I didn't mean to because it isn't. Yes, cutting calories will work in a lot of individuals, including myself. I was on a very high carb diet as you know, and was quite lean. But did so at the expense of muscle mass and strength.

The may be a fact, but it isn't a relevant fact in my view. Carbs can make up the bulk of your diet still allows for more than adequate amounts of protein to support muscle growth.

In fact, I had been moderate carb most my life, then went to high carb and now low carb. At all points, I was always reasonably lean and more than happy with my physique. But there was a difference in overall health. On low carb, I have no issues with energy going up and down, my overall strength has increased, I am much leaner while retaining most of my muscle mass, and all my blood values (inlcuding BP) have improved dramatically. I sleep better, get on the day better, don't have my insane mood swings, etc. Again, I am promoting this way of eating not only for its fat loss potential, but more importantly, for its health impact.

Well, it's fat loss potential is very simple IMO....when you cut back on carbs you tend to cut back on calories in the process ...thus........ fat loss.

[Sibica]

You and I both know the reason they can can consume up to 60% carbs and not gain fat / maintain low body fat levels...and it has nothing to do with genetics as the primary reason.

I simply can't debate genetics with you because you evidently have no formal education in the field. Therefore, how can you possibly comment on the subject? If you don't believe that your hormones, gated channels, G-proteins, etc. are/have been dictated by your genetics, then you simply lack the basic understanding that underlies my belief. Are you aware that when you go for a blood workup, that there are ranges of normal? Why is that? Because depending on your genetic profile, everyone processes vitamins/minerals/sugars/proteins/fats etc differently. You eating a bagel, and me eating one, will give dramatically different BSL's at one hour, two hours, etc, as would the next persons. These are basic, fundamental principles that I really didn't think were up for debate. Apparently in your world, they are!

BTW, who is McDonald and why do you gals keep bringing him up when commenting towards me? I don't think I've ever mentioned his name once. And I'm not on anyone's "ketogenic diet" so apart from me having mentioned it now, I don't think I've ever said that I was.

And your responses are borderline ridiculous. Is it really necessary for you to itemize every little comment in someones post, then highlight selected portions and add your witty commentary? I don't think so and it makes these threads painfully long to read.

[poedua]

I simply can't debate genetics with you because you evidently have no formal education in the field. Therefore, how can you possibly comment on the subject? If you don't believe that your hormones, gated channels, G-proteins, etc. are/have been dictated by your genetics, then you simply lack the basic understanding that underlies my belief. Are you aware that when you go for a blood workup, that there are ranges of normal? Why is that? Because depending on your genetic profile, everyone processes vitamins/minerals/sugars/proteins/fats etc differently. You eating a bagel, and me eating one, will give dramatically different BSL's at one hour, two hours, etc, as would the next persons. These are basic, fundamental principles that I really didn't think were up for debate. Apparently in your world, they are!

I'd bet 99.9% of CSCS trainers also have no formal education in genetics either, yet they still somehow manage to get 99% of their otherwise healthy clients to drop a heck of a lot of bodyfat.

How ?

Simply by getting their clients to exercise and or train more and eat better and ( usually ) to eat less ....no genetic profile / investigation required....the creation of a calorie deficit is all that is required and of course some basic training and nutritional principles to help get you there. So, while it may be a fact that genetics vary person to person, for the vast majority of otherwise healthy people who simply want to drop some fat, it's largely an irrelevant fact.

If you are an otherwise healthy person, a CSCS trainer doesn't need you to provide your DNA profile or to get a complete battery of medical tests or a complete blood work-up to help you lose some body fat....and P90X etc. etc. doesn't require it either.

Genetic differences may exist, but not to the extent that it would prevent otherwise healthy gym rats - all other things being equal - from losing body fat if he or she simply begins to eat better and or less, gets more active and exercises or trains on a consistent basis over a prolonged period of time.

In other words the underlying generic mechanisms, processes and principles that allow elite athletes to achieve healthy body fat levels via diet and exercise are the exact same generic mechanisms, processes and principles that apply to the average recreational gym rat ...whether they just want to drop a few pounds or or whether they have to drop 40 or 50 lbs.

BTW, who is McDonald and why do you gals keep bringing him up when commenting towards me? I don't think I've ever mentioned his name once. And I'm not on anyone's "ketogenic diet" so apart from me having mentioned it now, I don't think I've ever said that I was.

He's Lyle McDonald....a highly regarded fitness / exercise / nutrition blogger and author of ( among other things ) the " The Ketogenic Diet "....



http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/the-ketogenic-diet

And your responses are borderline ridiculous. Is it really necessary for you to itemize every little comment in someones post, then highlight selected portions and add your witty commentary? I don't think so and it makes these threads painfully long to read.

Well, you're certainly entitled to your opinion...but I don't happen to share it.

My responses reflect my philosophy on health an fitness overall. If you think my philosophy of having people be more active in general, to eat better as a function of a more nutritionally balanced ( i.e CARBS ) diet from more healthy food sources, to ( usually) eat less and to train and or exercise more as part of a life long lifestyle change toward better health and fitness overall is ' borderline ridiculous ' ...then that's fine ...again, you're entitled to your opinion. But I couldn't care less if you agree with my philosophy / responses or not.

[Sibica]

My responses reflect my philosophy on health an fitness overall.

There, you FINALLY said it: philosophy. Which means, no scientific basis whatsoever. Your "philosophy" are your beliefs, which mean nothing to a scientist such as myself. You really need to put a disclaimer at the bottom of all your posts that reads: the above written are based on my unfounded beliefs. As such, please put no merit or value in them.

With respect to the CSCS trainers, dietitians, nutritionists, etc. I'll put it like this: would you take advice about exercise and fitness from your doctor? Then why would anyone take any nutritional advice from any of them? I deal with dieticians and nutritionists and am well aware of their educational background with respect to biochemistry. First year, basic intro. The following years? ALL based on the RDA's set forth my whom? Previous graduates of the very same program. If that isn't a problem, then I don't know what is.... Like the old expression: it's the fox watching over the hen house.