what the hell d u guys think about this unpaid internship from Bell?

[Insider]

Wow, a whole bunch of you guys are short sighted. Right now companies are not hiring. If they are, we are not hiring new grads or recent grads. This opportunity is giving the candidate two of the most important opportunities: Experience and Networking Opportunity.

Bang on. Thank you!

[nalababe]

Its not that we are short sighted ...

What makes this a jokes it he fact that its working for BELL for free. If it was any other company, I think the views would have been different.

Then again, there are lots of other companies that are willing to pay you to work in the same type of positions that Bell is advertising.



And who ever mentioned "when you get your foot in the door, you are set" is seriously lying to themselves.

Again, the market is not open for paid internships or coops. The move towards a US style unpaid internship is not surprising. The fact that it has taken this long to develop in Canada might be more of a concern.

Getting your foot in the door is important. Now I have 10 years experience now, but with networking, people call me for positions...not the other way around. Getting experience and knowing people is very important.

Yes you need money...but why should we hire you? New grads take time to train, are not ready to contribute immediately and cost X more than just the salary. Unpaid internships are the way to go...Many more companies than Bell are moving this way.

[GeneralVP]

I am glad so many people have thier opinions formed.

a. You spent fours in university. It ain't free. Being a good corporate citizen is not fuk ing with students. If u start rear fuk ing people you going to get fuk ing rally and it ain't going to look good for coroprate image.

b. Remember feudalism, slavery, indentured labour. Does it sound familiar? folks we should move forward not backwards in time.

c. For the guy who wants to work for google/microsoft! Why do you want to pay for it so that you can just put it on your resume? Why don't just put in your reume anyways. Wouldn't rather show that you have talent so they will chase you around!

d. I think unpaid work is garbage and people who advocate ...... lol. Hanged, feathers, tarred, and Deported to fuk ing artic to live with penguins.

e. If experience is so important there should be bridge program between new grads and the industry. So people don't get fuk ed over.

f. how fuk r u suppose to pay all sorts of debt in the hope you unpdaid internship will lead to fuk ing 70k job.

[Majinvegeta]

I am glad so many people have thier opinions formed.

a. You spent fours in university. It ain't free. Being a good corporate citizen is not fuk ing with students. If u start rear fuk ing people you going to get fuk ing rally and it ain't going to look good for coroprate image.

b. Remember feudalism, slavery, indentured labour. Does it sound familiar? folks we should move forward not backwards in time.

c. For the guy who wants to work for google/microsoft! Why do you want to pay for it so that you can just put it on your resume? Why don't just put in your reume anyways. Wouldn't rather show that you have talent so they will chase you around!

d. I think unpaid work is garbage and people who advocate ...... lol. Hanged, feathers, tarred, and Deported to fuk ing artic to live with penguins.

e. If experience is so important there should be bridge program between new grads and the industry. So people don't get fuk ed over.

f. how fuk r u suppose to pay all sorts of debt in the hope you unpdaid internship will lead to fuk ing 70k job.

Then prove us all wrong, go find a 70k job with just a piece of paper.

What you do in school is DIFFERENT than what you do at work. You go to school to LEARN, but when you are working...you must APPLY that knowledge.

Maybe there was a time when companies would hire graduates and take the time to teach them, but unfortunately that time isn't with us anymore.

I used to be frustrated like this as well when my father told me that I need to start looking for a job. I was upset that stupid companies want EXPERIENCE EXPERIENCE EXPERIENCE, WELL WTF DOES A NON-EXPERIENCED PERSON DO? LIVE IN THE GUTTERS? people have to start somewhere!

So when I was in High School and did my CO-OP, I got a job with an IT company that later hired me without even interviewing me. In fact, to go in more details, I called back in the summer for work at the same IT company but manager said no at the time. But since I knew the people at the workplace, they told me to later call back because 1 person was leaving - well, the manager called me back and offered the job.

Like others have said, Networking and Experience will help you get a job. Yes people don't like to work for free, but when there are people willing to work for free to gain experience, then you can yell as loud as you wish but no one will care.

If you don't like BELL as a company then I don't understand why you were even attempting to get a job there. You can try to find other jobs that are willing to pay, and work your way up.

Bell isn't trying to tell the world that working for FREE is a good thing. Nor are they trying to say that everyone, no matter in what position they are, should work for free. This is just an option available to those who are financially OK and are willing to work for free to gain experience.

You may not be in a position to work for free, so then why even bother? go find a job that does pay.

* I would pay to work for Google/Microsoft because it is a BIG COMPANY. And working for them would look very good on a resume plus the experience that I would gain. Remember, experience is the most important part in getting a job. It is my experience that has helped me get this far, not my education.

[pupazzo]

Lol you have to be pretty desperate with no dignity to take a unpaid job. It's one step above selling hobos sexual favors in an alley.

[Icedawn]

Personally, the complaints in this thread merely sound like the complaints of people who think they're entitled to more than what they're worth. If the marginal benefit you can provide to a company is merely the experience they give you in return, I tend to think the problem is probably not the company... but more likely you!

Either figure out some way to get the experience you need to be productive (ex. volunteer or intern) or else demonstrate the potential to be someone that a company will want to have in the future. Having witnessed many friends graduating and entering the working world, I've always felt that it's incredibly easy to predict those who will find great jobs, and those that ended up bitter, angry, and feeling "underemployed".

When I survey people I know, those that were engaged - joining clubs, becoming a leader, working hard during the summer, volunteering, getting good grades, etc... - invariably "made" it. My current boss put it so - "When I look at a resume like that, I see someone with drive and potential. Even if they aren't particularly productive initially, they've demonstrated the ability to succeed and it makes sense to invest in this person lest they go somewhere else."

On the other hand, when I look at acquaintances now working junk jobs for no money, those are the ones who just coasted, showed no initiative, just barely passed every course, etc... If I'm an employer, why the hell would I want to pay good money to an employee who shows up on my doorstep thinking they're hot stuff, and yet has nothing to demonstrate this? Maybe I'll give them a chance to prove themselves, but I'm sure not paying them anything when I have 50 other, equally unremarkable, applicants all looking for a position.

To be fair, I've taken a few under-paid positions in the past too. The point is though that I took them back in high school and 1st/2nd year undergrad. After that, if you still don't have anything on your resume that you can point to to make an employer want you, I can't imagine blaming anyone else but yourself.

[stratux]

lol unpaid job thats jokes bell is broke

[tigerwoods17]

I actually applied for a position back in the fall.
and apparently because of the high demand, they didnt offer me a position. i wouldnt have even done it.

I personally think they use most of the applicants for market research.
Their is this random questionaire you have to fill out like your top favourite retail stores, products and other wiered questions.
Its b.s.

[GeneralVP]

Lol you have to be pretty desperate with no dignity to take a unpaid job. It's one step above selling hobos sexual favors in an alley.

Well Said, Indeed, Well Said, Bravo! Bravo! Props Dude!That says alot of the company and person.

Where in the world is dignity? Corporate prostitution! Do we live in a society that as people we create conditions that we conform to or do go beyond these conditions?

[pitz]

Again, the market is not open for paid internships or coops. The move towards a US style unpaid internship is not surprising. The fact that it has taken this long to develop in Canada might be more of a concern.

Actually, most technology companies I've encountered in the US offer extremely generous paid internships, and often have the interns working part time, while they attend school part time. Pretty popular at Stanford I'm told, with all the tech firms in the area.

Bell is a tech company with no shortage of profits, but to be begging for free labour.... Makes no sense to me.

Yes you need money...but why should we hire you? New grads take time to train, are not ready to contribute immediately and cost X more than just the salary.

That's simply not true. Grads have already spent thousands and thousands on their training. Of course they need company-specific training on company processes and procedures, but so does a new CEO brought in to manage the company, or anyone else.

And salaries for new grads are deliberately low to take this into account. But $0, that's just plain ol boorish of them. I can understand paying people $0, and giving them some stock (or options) for a high tech startup, under the assumption that their work effort will be converted into ownership of the business, under an stock or options grant scheme, but just $0 in salary with none of that, really goes to show the kind of value that Bell places on the future of its workforce.

Unpaid internships are the way to go...Many more companies than Bell are moving this way.

I wonder what the welfare office thinks of this, "I'm applying for welfare and I'm not able to work at a paying job because I'm on a Bell unpaid internship.". I wonder what bankers think of this? I can understand a community organization or some charity offering unpaid internships because they often have limited resources, but Bell Canada, give me a break....

[pitz]

f. how fuk r u suppose to pay all sorts of debt in the hope you unpdaid internship will lead to fuk ing 70k job.

Not only that...but your next job asks you how much you were paid on your previous job. If you say, "$0", then you're instantly giving the impression to the next employer that you're willing to work for dirt cheap, so your offer comes back as $40k, instead of the $60k that perhaps is more typical of your profession and your skills and abilities.

Not exactly the sort of impression you want to leave.

[GeneralVP]

I actually applied for a position back in the fall.
and apparently because of the high demand, they didnt offer me a position. i wouldnt have even done it.

I personally think they use most of the applicants for market research.
Their is this random questionaire you have to fill out like your top favourite retail stores, products and other wiered questions.
Its b.s.

Dude you must be pretty desperate to go for these jobs? There is lot suckers out there and one of em is you. I guess it can be tough if your not getting job and you don't have any options. I think welfare is better option. Lol. Never been on welfare cause i got a job but I was thinking why in the world would someone living in Canada with Canadian degree would work for free.

Our is a great country, but we must make it even better not by fuk ing people over. It makes me sick to my stomach to see people taking advantage of others like this.

I have no desire for this job perhaps somepeoples are not getting it!

[nave]

I am glad so many people have thier opinions formed.

a. You spent fours in university. It ain't free. Being a good corporate citizen is not fuk ing with students. If u start rear fuk ing people you going to get fuk ing rally and it ain't going to look good for coroprate image.

b. Remember feudalism, slavery, indentured labour. Does it sound familiar? folks we should move forward not backwards in time.

c. For the guy who wants to work for google/microsoft! Why do you want to pay for it so that you can just put it on your resume? Why don't just put in your reume anyways. Wouldn't rather show that you have talent so they will chase you around!

d. I think unpaid work is garbage and people who advocate ...... lol. Hanged, feathers, tarred, and Deported to fuk ing artic to live with penguins.

e. If experience is so important there should be bridge program between new grads and the industry. So people don't get fuk ed over.

f. how fuk r u suppose to pay all sorts of debt in the hope you unpdaid internship will lead to fuk ing 70k job.

I wish we knew your name.. so anyone in HR reading this could see how dedicated to just making a buck you are.

You know what, you should go ahead and put the quoted post in your resume and see how far you get. You'd love a new car over actually accomplishing something in your field of choice. Go work at Leons or some other commission based organization that shares your greedy values.

[Firebot]

I am glad so many people have thier opinions formed.

a. You spent fours in university. It ain't free. Being a good corporate citizen is not fuk ing with students. If u start rear fuk ing people you going to get fuk ing rally and it ain't going to look good for coroprate image.

b. Remember feudalism, slavery, indentured labour. Does it sound familiar? folks we should move forward not backwards in time.

c. For the guy who wants to work for google/microsoft! Why do you want to pay for it so that you can just put it on your resume? Why don't just put in your reume anyways. Wouldn't rather show that you have talent so they will chase you around!

d. I think unpaid work is garbage and people who advocate ...... lol. Hanged, feathers, tarred, and Deported to fuk ing artic to live with penguins.

e. If experience is so important there should be bridge program between new grads and the industry. So people don't get fuk ed over.

f. how fuk r u suppose to pay all sorts of debt in the hope you unpdaid internship will lead to fuk ing 70k job.

A degree is just a piece of paper. It doesn't prove that you are a hard worker, or that you can apply all that knowledge effectively. You are NOT entitled a job just because you have a piece of paper attached to your name.

This is why Co-op programs and internships are so important, because they show that you have been able to apply your knowledge to the real world. Companies will generally not hire someone with no experience, who has proven zilch about their abilities.

It's all supply and demand. Pharmacists don't need to get unpaid internships for job experience, because there's an actual huge demand for them. There's such a huge pool of workers in the CS and finance fields, that there's no need for a company to compete with other companies for the same worker. Don't like it? Go for a degree which is high in demand, or actually work your butt to get to where you need rather then think it should be entitled.

[pitz]

A degree is just a piece of paper. It doesn't prove that you are a hard worker, or that you can apply all that knowledge effectively. You are NOT entitled a job just because you have a piece of paper attached to your name.

I beg your pardon, that piece of paper attached to your name is prima facie proof, in most cases, that an individual can reason, can exist within a highly structured environment, and has a basic level of intelligence.

Its really a tragedy that we have people who chose to denigrate the quality of the education received at Canaidan institutions.

This is why Co-op programs and internships are so important, because they show that you have been able to apply your knowledge to the real world. Companies will generally not hire someone with no experience, who has proven zilch about their abilities.

Graduating a lengthy course at a university is proof, and a university education gives a vast wealth of experience in solving problems, writing reports and papers, and logical and deductive reasoning. If firms view interns as being unskilled or uneducated morons, well, that's just tragic.

It's all supply and demand. Pharmacists don't need to get unpaid internships for job experience, because there's an actual huge demand for them. There's such a huge pool of workers in the CS and finance fields, that there's no need for a company to compete with other companies for the same worker. Don't like it? Go for a degree which is high in demand, or actually work your butt to get to where you need rather then think it should be entitled.

I agree there, but firms are being so shortsighted by playing games like this. The past decade has beeen accentuated by an overabundance of labour, but the next decade may return to a shortgage of labour. Which firms do you think will be able to attract the best and brightest, the ones trying to get a bunch of work done by freebie interns, or the ones who treated their employees, present and future, with respect from day #1?