What vacuum sealer should I get?
Looking for something good... Thanks.
Nov 22nd, 2016 1:26 pm
Nov 22nd, 2016 4:19 pm
Nov 22nd, 2016 4:28 pm
This is for regular kitchen use. Like If I have a really nice piece of steak I want to save...RemedialChaosTheory wrote: ↑Nov 22nd, 2016 4:19 pmDeath hawk recommending a chamber sealer in 3....2....
If you think you'll be at chamber sealer levels of use, and have ~$800 and the kitchen space, then it'd definitely make sense to get one for the long run.... but for non-heavy use a~$100 FoodSaver brand one with cheap unbranded bags is likely your best bet. If you can, try and get a model that seals without wasting 2 inches of bag space like some models do - it's the one thing I hate about mine.
This model apparently is one of the ones that wastes less bag https://www.amazon.com/FoodSaver-FM2100 ... B00RPKKOO0
From the reviews - "The design of this model also saves on bag waste from sealing. I only need about 1/2 inch of bag to make a seal."
Nov 22nd, 2016 6:20 pm
Nov 22nd, 2016 11:33 pm
I'm apparently well known for a few things around here
Nov 24th, 2016 6:32 pm
I know you are a proponent of this $1000 sealer but the Foodsaver I have is great for my small family. I don't go and buy half a cow and vacuum seal it. I don't go out and buy huge quantities of anything and seal it.death_hawk wrote: ↑Nov 22nd, 2016 11:33 pmI'm apparently well known for a few things around here
Seriously though, I wouldn't buy anything else at this point.
Knowing what I know now, I HUGELY regret buying anything else BUT a chamber 10 years ago.
A grand (after sufficient bags) is a really tough pill to swallow but if you plan on any sort of regular use (eg a couple times a week) this thing literally pays for itself.
I did the math behind it with Costco sale bags and a Foodsaver here:
costco-foodsaver-130-store-costco-ca-ba ... #p26942565
It's a HUGE read, but I address most of the points that most people have for FoodSaver vs Chamber.
Think of it this way: If I broke my chamber right now, the first thing I'd be doing is ordering a replacement.
Maybe not next day air since it's like 60lbs but definitely via ground.
If you have any questions about it, feel free to ask.
Nov 25th, 2016 12:19 am
To be technically correct, the sealer itself is only $450USD or let's say $650CAD if you buy from the US.
I don't either. The largest thing I vac pack is maybe a costco sized pack.I don't go and buy half a cow and vacuum seal it. I don't go out and buy huge quantities of anything and seal it.
It's strange, but the last thing I would ever buy is a half a cow. There's too many bits I don't like (eg tenderloin, the entire round, no offal, etc) to make the bulk of the edible portion not worth it.I have difficulty thinking an expensive machine is worth the "savings". Even if you did buy 1/2 cow or pig, you would only use the thing every what, 6 or 9 months?
I know you love your machine and can you tell me, are you in the restaurant business?
Of have a huge family or seal things for a lot of people?
You said in another post that you use the machine 2 to 3 times per day.
When I had a food saver, I did literally the exact same thing.I know that for my family, we buy bulk chicken, a couple large picks or chops or whatever and take it home and vacuum seal it with out food saver and then don't pull out the machine again for well over a month or more.
I'm not sure how large your family is or how much food you go through (or rather throw away and/or neglect to purchase in a more bulk form) but I can tell you that things do add up when you start being able to preserve things for significantly longer than you used to be able to.As for the math, it would take me and my family a very long time to use all the bags your math comes up with and I also do not "waste" a lot of the bag for sealing.. I don't find the bags very expensive at Costco and the package lasts us quite a while.
Have you ever seen a commercial for the foodsaver? I mean the old infomercial ones where they're vac packing everything in sight?I am glad that for the amount of sealing you do that your expensive machine is right for you but I really think the average family will use the foodsaver perhaps once a month or maybe even less and therefore it is a much better value for them
Nov 25th, 2016 7:44 am
Thanks for all that.death_hawk wrote: ↑Nov 25th, 2016 12:19 amTo be technically correct, the sealer itself is only $450USD or let's say $650CAD if you buy from the US.
It is significantly more here, but if you have access to the US there's no reason not to buy it there.
I don't either. The largest thing I vac pack is maybe a costco sized pack.
For example, you can buy a large jar of spices at Costco. .....
Same idea with butter for example. If you buy a pound of butter, cut it up into 4 pieces and vac pack 3 sticks while keeping the other one out, you can preserve the freshness of your butter for $0.15 (for 3 bags)
Expand this to anything you buy.
Coffee, yogurt, meats, sour cream, etc.
I was, but I'm not any more.
When I get back into the restaurant business.
Actually it's mostly for me as a single person.
I'm not 100% sure what my average seal count is nowadays but it's probably close to 1-2 maybe per day.
That's not to say that I actually use it every day because some days I'd buy a pack of 3 chickens, vac pack 2 of them and eat the other one.
Or if I buy a striploin I vac pack 10 steaks. Or a sack of frozen corn I get like 15 portions.
Oh here's a good one: I have a condo so I can't smoke at home. So I strap a smoker to the back of my vehicle and smoke off site. Since it's just as much work smoking 1 rack as it is 12 racks, I just bring 12 racks with me.
When I had a food saver, I did literally the exact same thing.
I'd only vac pack very expensive items because cheap items weren't worth the bag cost nor the labor cost.
But if you're packing 20 chicken breasts or something it can mean you're spending 30 minutes more than I am.
I'm not sure how large your family is or how much food you go through (or rather throw away and/or neglect to purchase in a more bulk form) but I can tell you that things do add up when you start being able to preserve things for significantly longer than you used to be able to.
So instead of buying a retail pack of chicken for example, you can buy a costco pack, vac pack the rest and have fresh chicken for 2 weeks compared to 2 days.
This scales down too. I vac pack a buck worth of nuts because I miscalculated how much I needed when I bought them. .......
I stand behind my math I did in the other post.
Assuming official bags at Costco, it costs you $0.025/inch. An 8in bag (which doesn't hold too much) costs you $0.20.
I pay $0.05.
$0.15 doesn't seem like much, but once you start vacuum packing more things it adds up quick.
1000 bags is $150 difference.
Not to mention the food that you're saving/no longer have to buy/is lasting longer.
Have you ever seen a commercial for the foodsaver? I mean the old infomercial ones where they're vac packing everything in sight?
That's basically me now.
There's almost nothing in my fridge that's not vac packed.
Once I bought my chamber, I started vac packing everything. All of a sudden I realized that things lasted longer.
I get a couple weeks out of chicken. Almost a month out of beef. Same with pork.
Ever use a 1/3 of a container of sour cream then forget it in your fridge until it goes fuzzy?
I buy a 1L for the same price as a 250mL, use 125mL (or whatever) then vac pack the rest.
Now I have like 2 months to use 1L.
Hell I needed some ice packs.
Vac packed my gallon bags with some water.
Froze it. Now I have a leak proof ice pack for $0.15.
You can do the same, but it'd cost you $0.35.
Do 5 of them and I'm a dollar ahead.
Taking advantage of bulk savings and sales means that you can spend your money wisely.
I'm sure you and thousands of others are happy with their machine, but this is one of those things that you have to experience to truly know the value of.
Nothing goes to waste any more.
Oh and I even take vac packed bags of food with me for lunch.
Nov 25th, 2016 9:51 am
when you have a chamber vac, the biggest thing is saving time.Pete_Coach wrote: ↑Nov 25th, 2016 7:44 amThanks for all that.
I guess we (my family and I) are nowhere near as vacuum sealing as you. We buy for a couple weeks in advance or when there isa good special. For a single guy, you sure get a lot of food
We do our weekly shopping a if we buy a bulk special, that is what the foodsaver is used for. We certainly do not vacuum seal spices or nuts or sour cream. We also do not vacuum seal our lunches.
I guess that is where our use of a machine differs substantially. That is probably why our costs re not and never will be near to yours and ur machine will last considerably longer. It is used occasionally, as opposed to several times a day. There is really nothing in our fridge that is vacuum sealed. We use it to seal and freeze products.
Thanks for the info and again, I am glad that your machine fill the need for your lifestyle. The foodsaver fits our needs and lifestyle and budget at this time.
Nov 25th, 2016 10:04 am
OK, I am not or never have said a chamber vacuum i snot worth it, just it is not worth it to me.Bskll wrote: ↑Nov 25th, 2016 9:51 amwhen you have a chamber vac, the biggest thing is saving time.
you no longer have to deal with spoiled food, possible food poisoning from food gone bad. you can buy any sale you see in bulk instead going to the store frequently to buy fresh food. taking food on trips/potlucks/get-together is easy cause you can do prep at home. marinating meat is super easy and less wasteful. saving dried goods is easy too.
i even use my vacuum to save apples. sometimes i only want to eat half of an apple and keep the rest fresh for lunch the next day. pop in vacuum sealer and it is as fresh as if i just cut it the next day. made soup that you want to take to work? seal it into 5 bags and 1 bag for lunch each day.
having a chamber vacuum will change a lot of your habits to save time. you won't be aware of it until you have one because to most people, foodsaver is an extra hassle.
Nov 25th, 2016 10:43 am
Nov 25th, 2016 12:47 pm
I'm a noob with vacuum sealing, as well. I just bought a Foodsaver v4800 series from this somewhat shady looking shop selling open box. Found them on Kijiji. The unit retails for $150+ and I got it for $79. I haven't tried it yet but figure if it turns out to be a piece of junk, my exposure isn't too bad just to try out vacuum sealing for freezer and for sous vide.
Nov 25th, 2016 1:09 pm
What is everyone opinions on those ebay vaccum sealer bag rolls? Looks cheap...DiceMan wrote: ↑Nov 25th, 2016 12:47 pmI'm a noob with vacuum sealing, as well. I just bought a Foodsaver v4800 series from this somewhat shady looking shop selling open box. Found them on Kijiji. The unit retails for $150+ and I got it for $79. I haven't tried it yet but figure if it turns out to be a piece of junk, my exposure isn't too bad just to try out vacuum sealing for freezer and for sous vide.
http://www.kijiji.ca/v-vacuum/city-of-t ... nFlag=true.
Costco link for comparison.
http://www.costco.ca/FoodSaver-Automati ... 15705.html
Nov 25th, 2016 5:52 pm
Nov 25th, 2016 5:58 pm
You have the right mindset here so a chamber would actually save you money at the end of the day.Pete_Coach wrote: ↑Nov 25th, 2016 10:04 amI bought in limited quantities and froze things I was not going to use in the near future. The reason for buying a food saver was to be able to take advantage of sales and buy in lrager quantities so I could vacuum seal them thereby preventing freezer burn (and spoilage from that).
Again it's one of those you don't know what you're missing if you don't have one.I have never found foodsaver to be an extra hassle as I never had one before and this was just a way of buying food and keeping it longer. No hassle, just made sense and, it does not cost much.
Strangely enough you have the analogy kind of backwards.but all I am saying the foodsaver, it's cost and it's usability are perfect for my family. Sort of like a Corolla for a daily drive as opposed to a Jag....nicer ride in a Jaguar but the Toyota gets me to the same place cheaper.
As I said, it's an extremely hard pill to swallow in both price and counter space, but it's one of the things that's made a permanent home on my counter (side cart actually) and will never be replaced.
Honestly... I would go with a cheap brand.But Foodsaver seems to be the go to brand.
They're hit or miss.