What is your say in Canada Gun Control?

[Gordon]

Post your views and opinions!

To me I think it's pretty pethetic...

They are taking the guns away from responsible people and putting them in to the hands of the ones who are un-responsible.

The unresponsible ones screw up and then we take the blame for it!

[Bullseye]

There's some good points on either side of the debate, but the fact that as long as the U.S. is our neighbour, and they allow guns, means that there is just no point in banning them here. They will always find their way across the border, regardless of what we do.

[UrbanPoet]

its more of a political thing none the less.
The gun control debate seems like a bloody dreaded end b/c of mindless ppl that think on emotion rather then rationality. ITs kinda like the liberal mentality...


Even if the anti-gun side wins they will just realize that many years after supposedly 'amazing gun bans' take place that ppl are still shooting each other as much as before and that there will be an increase in stabbing murders.

theres actually been years in toronto where homicides were MUCH higher then the supposedly all so dangerous "year of the gun" in 2005. And most of those homicides were done without a gun...

[UrbanPoet]

There's some good points on either side of the debate, but the fact that as long as the U.S. is our neighbour, and they allow guns, means that there is just no point in banning them here. They will always find their way across the border, regardless of what we do.

even if guns are banned... Guns can be EASILY made.
Anyone with knowledge of metal working can make a gun. Even the guy that fixes your exhaust pipes could easily apply his knowledge to make a deadly double barrel sawed off shot gun.

[Gordon]

even if guns are banned... Guns can be EASILY made.
Anyone with knowledge of metal working can make a gun. Even the guy that fixes your exhaust pipes could easily apply his knowledge to make a deadly double barrel sawed off shot gun.

Haha, It's true. I know people who can make coil guns, and all sorts of firearms.

Even if guns are banned, poeple are still going to find away to bring them in.

[mattpiloto]

I agree that there should be some controls on firearms, much like there are some controls on owning a motor vehicle. Traditionally, however, Canada has been going about it the wrong way. It sounds good to say "Let's ban handguns", "Let's register all of farmer Joe's shotguns and rifles", etc. But that's as far as it goes. If handguns are banned, ciminals will get them elsewhere. If they can't get them elsewhere, they will make their own (the Regina Police department used to have a nifty display of homemade firearms, not sure if they still do). It's not that hard. All you need is a tube and something to hit a primer (nail, screw, etc).

Proper training/background checks of individuals is quite sufficient IMO. A criminal, by definition, is one who does not obey the law. Why would they obey the law that says they can't own a gun? Without proper license/paperwork/etc, you cannot own a handgun (or any gun, for that matter). With a criminal record or violent history, it is nearly impossible to get the proper paperwork. So, all the gangbangers/etc who walk around with guns are already not supposed to have them.

Either way, murders with firearms have stayed at a fairly steady 30% or so for the last 20 years, despite "tougher" laws.

[UrbanPoet]

^

I agree.. I dont mind getting a lisence and registering my hand guns.
But as far as long gun registry? Common.... gang bangers dont come in the form of duck hunters, and farmers taht need a break action 2 shot shotgun to scare away wolves and rabbits eating their crops.... (which is a majority of where long guns come from)

[rfdrfd]

Agreed. Laws have to be tougher.

Also, i said it b4, but I'll say it again. We need security cameras. Just like England. They are everywhere and police can tie into all the shops' private cameras to follow anyone as they walk.

Yes, its no more privacy, but seriously, this world is turning into that anyways. We are all tracked one way or another. From the moment you turn on your TV in the morning, to work (card in), drive on the 407 maybe, or 401 compass cameras on ya, log on at home to use email, etc...till you go to bed.

The benefits of security cameras on streets are endless. ID'ing gun shooting criminals, not more of Police asking "Have you seen this person? ", you can catch someone raping someone, hit and run cases, red light runners that hit/kill people, etc.

And when crooks know there is a camera on this street, they are much less likely to commit a crime infront of a camera. I hope.

I've never heard anyone complain about Casino cameras watching their every move. They are all happily walking inside and having a great time.

[dark169]

I've never heard anyone complain about Casino cameras watching their every move. They are all happily walking inside and having a great time.

the differance is you walk in knowing your under suvaliance. I feel I should be able to walk down the street without the government knowing that. Its not that I'm doing anything wrong, the point is its none of their f'ing business if I go for a walk.

to paraphrase a much wiser man then I: Those that give up freedom for security deserve neither.

Rather then making the responsible ownership of a gun a crime, why not make the criminals that would use a weapon face real jail time? Or chop off the trigger finger of first time gun offenders. (much like my chop off the right foot of repeat drunk dirvers policy)

[Bullseye]

I would never support widespread use of cameras, the cost to personal civil liberties is too high, and the risk of abuses of power far too great. That the trend is towards this type of thing only strengthens my resolve to fight against it even harder.

I also would never support barbaric tactics such as amputating criminals limbs, which in essence reduces civil society down to the same level as the criminals. Criminals may commit sub-human acts, but I won't do the same thing as some sort of bizarre revenge punishment, and I wouldn't allow it to be done in my name, either.

[rfdrfd]

I agree with ya. That's easily solved. Put a BIG sign at all border crossings of Ontario:

ONTARIO is constanly monitored by CC TV. Or make it CANADA is constantly monitored by CC TV.

Wait isn't there USA satelites that can zoom into anyone on the streets right now anyways ?


Just like all shopping malls, department stores, Walmart, etc. People are okay with it really. We just don't think about it. And stupid theives still shop lift at CCTV stores too, so its really normal to most people.

Hehe, yeah, if only we can chop off their fingers or something, that will deter them for sure.

the differance is you walk in knowing your under suvaliance. I feel I should be able to walk down the street without the government knowing that. Its not that I'm doing anything wrong, the point is its none of their f'ing business if I go for a walk.

to paraphrase a much wiser man then I: Those that give up freedom for security deserve neither.

Rather then making the responsible ownership of a gun a crime, why not make the criminals that would use a weapon face real jail time? Or chop off the trigger finger of first time gun offenders. (much like my chop off the right foot of repeat drunk dirvers policy)

[Shook1s]

It appears that people are generally on either side of this debate. I suppose the nature of the argument dictates that you are a hardliner on either side once you have formed an opinion.

I must disagree with the notion that the ban is usesless because people will still be killed by guns and you can still get guns. In my view the government is being proactive and taking measures to make guns LESS ACCESSABLE. Realistically I don't think a gun ban is the end of violence, but it helps to curb availablity of weapons.

Just my two.

[rfdrfd]

I would never support widespread use of cameras, the cost to personal civil liberties is too high, and the risk of abuses of power far too great. That the trend is towards this type of thing only strengthens my resolve to fight against it even harder.

I also would never support barbaric tactics such as amputating criminals limbs, which in essence reduces civil society down to the same level as the criminals. Criminals may commit sub-human acts, but I won't do the same thing as some sort of bizarre revenge punishment, and I wouldn't allow it to be done in my name, either.

I don't see the big difference between current states of surveillance vs. widespread use. Even as I type right now, my IT dept is logging me, govern. can check where I am right now. Same with your ISP as well.

To me, there is no trend, it is a progress of a complicated society. All you have to do, is look at cities around the world that is more populated than ours.

India, Hong Kong, Japan, etc. I hear Japan is starting their everyone has a number system. Hong Kong has their new ID cards with the Smart chip in it. HK subway system is one of the best and making tons of money. Look at our sad TTC ? In HK, eveyrone has to carry ID with them anywhere they go, Police can stop and check it, if you don't have it, go to Police station right away.

HK even has campaigns of crowd control, public announcements, etc.

It is the benefits of living in a populated city as ours, that we need these things, because there are "bad" people in it. If there were no more gun shootings, rapes, gangs, then ya, you don't need nothing.

Like Yellowknife or something. They don't need these, but they also don't have Star Bucks at every corner, not many Future Shops or Best Buys.

[w4rrior]

I hope to god that Canadas gun control laws never change. We don't want to end up like the States, which on average, has about 30,000 gun-related murders a year last time I checked.

[Bullseye]

I must disagree with the notion that the ban is usesless because people will still be killed by guns and you can still get guns. In my view the government is being proactive and taking measures to make guns LESS ACCESSABLE. Realistically I don't think a gun ban is the end of violence, but it helps to curb availablity of weapons.

Just my two.

I understand your point, but look at it this way...the vast majority of guns used in crimes here in Canada come from the U.S. Then there is a small percentage that are stolen from legal gun owners here in Canada. So banning them may prevent crimes originating from the second method of aquisition. There is an unintended side effect to this, however, and that is that if criminals know that homeowners are very unlikely to have a gun, this could lead to an increase in home invasions. From what I've read in past, there seems to a deterance factor in crime when criminals suspect homeowners may be armed. This could be lost if guns were banned outright, negating some or all of the benefits of the ban itself. Then there are all the other fairly decent reasons for citizens to own guns to consider.

I don't think of myself as entrenched on either side of the debate, I just try to apply logic to it.