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What's with RFD's obsession with prime lenses?

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bosoxfanx1 wrote:
Aug 6th, 2012 8:07 pm
50mm 1.4 is not that much better than 1.8.. Not worth it in my opinion
hahahaha. There's more of a difference between the 1.8 and the 1.4 than there is between the 1.4 and 1.2L.
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rf134a wrote:
Aug 6th, 2012 11:31 pm
Maybe I phrased it wrong, but I definitely don't think primes are old technology. I whole heartedly disagree with the advice to buy an old body like the 50D or 60D, both quite mediocre bodies when they came out. New technology makes even the best older bodies obsolete.

Of course, all of this criticism is for the hit and run posters who just post "derp buy old 50D and EF50 1.8 derpy derp". Everyone that has posted in this thread understands the artistic angle of taking a photo but some people just want to take a photo of their kids, dog, cat, whatever. For these newbies, the 18-55 kit lens with a good deal on a current body is their best bet.
But if someone asks about opinion on a lens in the Photography forum, it's reasonable to assume they're not newbies anymore, or are planning to move away from that level, and so I think a recommendation to the prime world is suitable.

For the record, my 35mm f/1.8 gets the most love out of my 18-105 and 55-200. I only need the others for wide angle and zoom, but basically anything I can control by taking 1-2 steps forward or backward I'll do with my prime, and surprisingly that covers over 70% of the shots I take.
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neltron3030 wrote:
Aug 6th, 2012 11:36 pm
hahahaha. There's more of a difference between the 1.8 and the 1.4 than there is between the 1.4 and 1.2L.
of course you're right, 1/3 stop difference.

in my mind I am thinking that the difference is bigger for 85mm f1.4 vs f1.8 than 50mm f1.4 vs f1.8..
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Jon Lai wrote:
Aug 7th, 2012 12:11 am
But if someone asks about opinion on a lens in the Photography forum, it's reasonable to assume they're not newbies anymore, or are planning to move away from that level, and so I think a recommendation to the prime world is suitable.
Honestly, sometimes I wonder :)
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A big part in recommending primes is that most noobs already have an 18-55 and don't want to spend a lot of money. What else could you possibly recommend other than a cheap prime? Most telephones and do-all-zooms that are worth buying are going to cost ya.
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I love my primes. 90% of the time, I shoot with my 35L and 85L.

But photography is not just about gears...
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Aug 7th, 2012 10:13 am
I love my primes. 90% of the time, I shoot with my 35L and 85L.

But photography is not just about gears...
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zero_2003 wrote:
Aug 7th, 2012 10:13 am
I love my primes. 90% of the time, I shoot with my 35L and 85L.

But photography is not just about gears...
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RCGA wrote:
Aug 7th, 2012 8:04 am
A big part in recommending primes is that most noobs already have an 18-55 and don't want to spend a lot of money. What else could you possibly recommend other than a cheap prime? Most telephones and do-all-zooms that are worth buying are going to cost ya.
On one hand you're right, but on the other, a midrange prime lens is not exactly competing with a do-it-all zoom. They are for different types of photography, or perhaps for different types of photographers, and when recommending one over the other, it's not their technical merits, but style of shooting that should be considered first.
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my sigma 50mm 1.4 stays on my camera almost always. i'm using a 5d2 but when i had it on my crop, it wasn't as enjoyable to use. plus i was able to get a good copy of the sigma (third try). focus doesn't shift and images are sharp.
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rf134a wrote:
Aug 6th, 2012 11:31 pm
Maybe I phrased it wrong, but I definitely don't think primes are old technology. I whole heartedly disagree with the advice to buy an old body like the 50D or 60D, both quite mediocre bodies when they came out. New technology makes even the best older bodies obsolete.

Of course, all of this criticism is for the hit and run posters who just post "derp buy old 50D and EF50 1.8 derpy derp". Everyone that has posted in this thread understands the artistic angle of taking a photo but some people just want to take a photo of their kids, dog, cat, whatever. For these newbies, the 18-55 kit lens with a good deal on a current body is their best bet.
If someone was on a budget and required the build and AF speed of the 50D over the newer Rebels and is not planning to shoot indoors I would still say go for the older technology. Again depends on the user's needs. Also If people just want to take pictures of their kids or animals etc but have no idea what they are doing an SLR is rendered useless so I would tell them just use your camera phone or higher end point and shoot. I would/have steered them away from the SLR world.
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ryan_lau100 wrote:
Aug 7th, 2012 12:08 pm
Also If people just want to take pictures of their kids or animals etc but have no idea what they are doing an SLR is rendered useless so I would tell them just use your camera phone or higher end point and shoot. I would/have steered them away from the SLR world.
the problem is, a camera phone or p&s does not match the speed of a dslr. sometimes moments come and go quickly and before a p&s or phone is on, ready and focused, that moment is gone - even if you're prepared and the camera is on, you still have to half-shutter to focus and that takes ages. with a dslr, half-press the shutter and camera is on in less than 1 sec. af-on to focus and you've got the shot in seconds.
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rf134a wrote:
Aug 6th, 2012 11:31 pm
Maybe I phrased it wrong, but I definitely don't think primes are old technology. I whole heartedly disagree with the advice to buy an old body like the 50D or 60D, both quite mediocre bodies when they came out. New technology makes even the best older bodies obsolete.

Of course, all of this criticism is for the hit and run posters who just post "derp buy old 50D and EF50 1.8 derpy derp". Everyone that has posted in this thread understands the artistic angle of taking a photo but some people just want to take a photo of their kids, dog, cat, whatever. For these newbies, the 18-55 kit lens with a good deal on a current body is their best bet.
If that was the case I would tell them to save their money and not buy a DSLR
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superock wrote:
Aug 7th, 2012 1:00 pm
If that was the case I would tell them to save their money and not buy a DSLR
why?
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zero_2003 wrote:
Aug 7th, 2012 10:13 am
I love my primes. 90% of the time, I shoot with my 35L and 85L.

But photography is not just about gears...
Yea...wedding photogs need their 35L's. Most of them carry around 70-200 2.8's too. I'd say these two are the staples for wedding photography. I have a 24, 50, and 85, but sometimes I wish I had a 35.
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