Why is the TTC so incompetent?

[manmanny]

Its always improvement when managed properly. All I am showing to people with weather used as an excuse

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[manmanny]

If the buses are so close then it capacity wont be used efficiently.
Can anybody guarantee all 5 uses are full to the capacity? One or tow might be but not all.
Wasted space. All this is realtime. I ca count 7-10 stops for 5 buses.

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[cardle]

With the NextBus maps you should post a day and time with them.

I once saw 5 29's going south outside the Dufferin Mall last year.:lol:

I don't think the 34 is that busy, from Eglinton station to Leslie you have 3 other buses going the same way (51, 54 and 100) and then the 56 to Laird Drive and the 103 to Mount Pleasant so it takes it off a bit. I am not saying it isn't busy but there are far busier routes, namely the 32.

[Drew87]

How can you improve that without physically putting more buses on the road? you're just looking to create an arguement..

At warden station throughout the day the line to get onto the 68 bus goes half way or all the way up the stairs...

Buses usually come in 5-10 minute intervals depending on the day and time........A lot of the time the buses fill up and people can't get on and they have to wait for another bus......

If 2 or 3 didn't come at the same time you'd have to wait another 5-10 minutes for another one....

Warden is a busy street to with traffic so sometimes that 5-10 minutes can turn into 10-15 Minutes....

You also have to consider the Warden and Eglinton are 2 of the most busies streets in Toronto...

Certain areas of both streets can turn into bumper to bumper traffic which allows buses behind to catch up....

Therefore it's not scheduling but the amount of cars on the road...

the 24 bus is another example...I grew up taking it.....

I would board the 24 bus at the station.....the next 24 wouldn't arrive for another 5-10 minutes...

Yet the second one would always catch up to the first....

[Drew87]

[QUOTE=cardle;14278265]With the NextBus maps you should post a day and time with them.

I once saw 5 29's going south outside the Dufferin Mall last year.:lol:

I don't think the 34 is that busy, from Eglinton station to Leslie you have 3 other buses going the same way (51, 54 and 100) and then the 56 to Laird Drive and the 103 to Mount Pleasant so it takes it off a bit. I am not saying it isn't busy but there are far busier routes, namely the 32.[/QUOTE]

Have you ever seen how crowded and how brutal dufferin street is? From my experiences there you need frequent buses because they fill up really quickly and some people don't want to board a full bus...

[cardle]

[QUOTE=Drew87;14278279]Have you ever seen how crowded and how brutal dufferin street is? From my experiences there you need frequent buses because they fill up really quickly and some people don't want to board a full bus...[/QUOTE]

On a Saturday afternoon at 2?

There had been a long wait for the bus and 5 turn up at the same time, somewhere, something or someone had messed up.

[Drew87]

[QUOTE=cardle;14278525]On a Saturday afternoon at 2?

There had been a long wait for the bus and 5 turn up at the same time, somewhere, something or someone had messed up.[/QUOTE]

For 5 to turn up at the same time I bet it's due to construction in the area...

Believe it or not Dufferin is really busy on Saturday at 2.....I'm not making it up...I use to do business in the area (specifically near Dufferin mall) and the area outside the station where people would wait for buses would always be packed.

Dufferin mall is a high traffic mall especially on weekends and I think the 29 goes to the Exhibition and downtown plus it goes to Yorkdale.

[just_kickin_it]

This has all been discussed before.. but people feel like continually beating a dead horse. Late buses are 99% of the time not the fault of the drivers. Many reasons for a bus being late, not excuses, but realities.... traffic, passenger volumes, mechanical issues, passenger delays (sick/ill passengers, fights, confrontations etc), poor scheduling, accidents.... I could keep going... there is no way you will EVER get public transit on time all the time. Simple as that.

[Drew87]

[QUOTE=just_kickin_it;14278560]This has all been discussed before.. but people feel like continually beating a dead horse. Late buses are 99% of the time not the fault of the drivers. Many reasons for a bus being late, not excuses, but realities.... traffic, passenger volumes, mechanical issues, passenger delays (sick/ill passengers, fights, confrontations etc), poor scheduling, accidents.... I could keep going... there is no way you will EVER get public transit on time all the time. Simple as that.[/QUOTE]


+1 and it's the same worldwide...

NY, Paris, Berlin, London at the least.

[Metagame]

[QUOTE=Drew87;14275834]This just sounds like childish whining to me.....

It can take you up top 2 hours to commute? ok, there's millions of people in the same boat....An old co-worker of mine drove an hour and a half to get to work for 4 years and he did it without a complaint because it was what was necessary...[/QUOTE]


What kind of illogical reasoning is this? In the private sector, if a business is not giving quality service and its customers complain, it would be a valid justification to you if they said "hey, there are millions of people who get the same level of service you do from other competitors, quit whining? If yes, don't bother replying to this. :facepalm:

[QUOTE=Drew87;14275834]Buses never show up on time? If the buses never come on time leave earlier......I don't understand people that live in Toronto and choose to show up at a bus stop 5-10 minutes before the "scheduled" time.....Most of the people that complain about buses being "late" have lived in Toronto their whole life. They should know by now that delays are to be expected....That's how life is, TTC or not...It's like people expect to be treated as if they were royalty and expect the bus to be waiting for them..[/QUOTE]
I already leave early enough, unless you think 3 hours before my first class starts is not early enough? What, am I now suppose to leave 5 hours earlier because of this incompetent company? Delays once or twice in a blue moon are acceptable, BUT EVERY FREAKING DAY?!? Today, for example, the bus I was suppose to catch never showed up and the next 2 on the time slots were jam packed, meaning I had to wait for a third bus which was also packed and I had to squeeze myself in. Despite all of this, you still think you can justifiably defend the sheer incompetence of the TTC?

[QUOTE=Drew87;14275834]Buses are crowded? Well what about the idiots that stand on the bus and don't take their backpacks off taking up double the space? Seems like the sense of entitlement with people is growing even more....[/QUOTE]
This is has not been the case, based on my experience. People with large enough backpacks do take them off and place them between their legs, while the majority of others don't have backpacks big enough to occupy the space of two riders.

I bet on most of the buses that are "over crowded" if people took off their backpacks and held them in front of them there'd be a lot more room....Or if people actually moved to the back of the bus when the driver asked that there'd be more room....

[Drew87]

[QUOTE=Metagame;14278630]What kind of illogical reasoning is this? In the private sector, if a business is not giving quality service and its customers complain, it would be a valid justification to you if they said "hey, there are millions of people who get the same level of service you do from other competitors, quit whining? If yes, don't bother replying to this. :facepalm:

No you can complain if you want but on an internet message board where similiar topics have been made time and time again......What's the point? Are you just venting?


I already leave early enough, unless you think 3 hours before my first class starts is not early enough? What, am I now suppose to leave 5 hours earlier because of this incompetent company? Delays once or twice in a blue moon are acceptable, BUT EVERY FREAKING DAY?!? Today, for example, the bus I was suppose to catch never showed up and the next 2 on the time slots were jam packed, meaning I had to wait for a third bus which was also packed and I had to squeeze myself in. Despite all of this, you still think you can justifiably defend the sheer incompetence of the TTC?

I don't know if you stated that you leave 3 hours early in your initial post and I really don't want to go back and check...if you did my bad....

If it's EVERY FREAKING DAY then why haven't you tried to do something to change it? If you're in post secondary take classes and schedule around the times when you know the ttc isn't reliable or packed....

Have you complained ONCE to the actual TTC....As I stated in my previous remarks....What do you think posting on here will accomplish?

This is has not been the case, based on my experience. People with large enough backpacks do take them off and place them between their legs, while the majority of others don't have backpacks big enough to occupy the space of two riders.

Then you're lucky, I used to experience this day in and day out for 6 years.

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[manmanny]

[QUOTE=cardle;14278265]With the NextBus maps you should post a day and time with them.

I once saw 5 29's going south outside the Dufferin Mall last year.:lol:

I don't think the 34 is that busy, from Eglinton station to Leslie you have 3 other buses going the same way (51, 54 and 100) and then the 56 to Laird Drive and the 103 to Mount Pleasant so it takes it off a bit. I am not saying it isn't busy but there are far busier routes, namely the 32.[/QUOTE]

very smart. Its 15-25 sec before post time.

[just_kickin_it]

[QUOTE=Metagame;14278630]I already leave early enough, unless you think 3 hours before my first class starts is not early enough? What, am I now suppose to leave 5 hours earlier because of this incompetent company? Delays once or twice in a blue moon are acceptable, BUT EVERY FREAKING DAY?!? Today, for example, the bus I was suppose to catch never showed up and the next 2 on the time slots were jam packed, meaning I had to wait for a third bus which was also packed and I had to squeeze myself in. Despite all of this, you still think you can justifiably defend the sheer incompetence of the TTC? [/QUOTE]

EVERY transit agency in the GTA has buses that are delayed especially during rush hour. This has nothing to do with incompetence of the drivers or TTC as a whole, but more so with the volume of passengers and traffic that the buses are dealing with. Sure, go ahead and short turn buses or even try to add more buses to the routes, but then in the first case of short turning buses, those people who are affected with the short turns will now be complaining of extra long delays, and adding more buses may only be at best a band-aid type solution.

Once again, I will re-iterate my previous post.... Go ahead and drive a bus for the TTC, if you are on time all the time for an entire week, I will give you $1000 each week you can do that.

[Metagame]

[QUOTE=FunSave22;14277109]This has been covered so many times...

Transit in Toronto has some of the lowest government funding of any system in North America or Europe. Toronto relies on fares for covering an extremely large percentage of their operating cost. [/QUOTE]

You couldn't be more wrong. You really think more government is the solution to this bloated, bureaucratic monopoly? Scrapping its funding by the taxpayer is the only solution along with perhaps some competition. More funding will not make the TTC more efficient. Instead, that extra funding will go to line the pockets of the bureaucratic management and increase the salaries of the uneducated, unskilled, ungrateful TTC drivers. 50-60K + extremely generous benefits to drive a bus? That isn't competitive at all compared to transit drivers in other cities. 50-60k is what you pay a professionally licensed engineer to design an HVAC system (even less these days).

[just_kickin_it]

[QUOTE=Metagame;14278683]You couldn't be more wrong. You really think more government is the solution to this bloated, bureaucratic monopoly? Scrapping its funding by the taxpayer is the only solution along with perhaps some competition. More funding will not make the TTC more efficient. Instead, that extra funding will go to line the pockets of the bureaucratic management and increase the salaries of the uneducated, unskilled, ungrateful TTC drivers. 50-60K + extremely generous benefits to drive a bus? That isn't competitive at all compared to transit drivers in other cities. 50-60k is what you pay a professionally licensed engineer to design an HVAC system (even less these days).[/QUOTE]

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