Will multiculturalism fall apart due to radical Islam?

[CroatianGuy]

Please note - I am not making this up. This is another reason why I am afraid of the ramifications of the terrorist incident in Canada.
This was on CBC Newsworld and I am relaying as best as I can what was said.

Mark Kelley
8:35 am CBC Newsworld
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Mark Kelley reports on what Europeans have learned - that multiculturalism does not work. As a result of the terrorist fears tolerance will decrease and we may start to have forced integration. The terrorists have succeeded in changing our society. The following are some key points mentioned by Mark.

Multiculturalism does not work in Europe.
Radical Islam does not want to integrate.
Forced integration is happening in Europe
Forced Dutch language and culture classes
Britian citizenship classes.
We can't all just live together anymore.
We can't live in total separateness and isolation becuase that can lead to exteremism.
We are a nation of tolerance but fear changes everything
Once fear comes in tolerance disappears.
Even the burqua appears to be a political statement
Political Correctness be damned.
Tolerance is a weakness.

Europeans tell us that Canada will learn what they have learned.

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Here is what I would like to discuss; How to we protect our multicutural nature? Or should we follow the European model of forced integration?



Please note - I have white friends and black friends. I have Jewish friends and Arab friends. I have Liberal friends and I have Conservative friends. I even have some Serbian friends. I judge people by their character rather than their religion.

[AirBosh]

Yea I watched that last night. Very interesting. Tonight on CBC newsworld they are going to discuss further how other European countries are dealing with multiculturalism after 07/07/05. The clip when he was interviewing the Holland gov't was interesting.

[Bullseye]

Canada and the U.S. are different than Europe, people there are much more ethnocentric. We are a new-ish country in comparison, and we've been multicultural to some degree since the very beginning, I don't see that changing because of a small minority of radicals.

[CroatianGuy]

Canada and the U.S. are different than Europe, people there are much more ethnocentric. We are a new-ish country in comparison, and we've been multicultural to some degree since the very beginning, I don't see that changing because of a small minority of radicals.

Holland was actually one of the most multi-cultural nations in the world. Holland has a reputation for being extremely open and liberal in social thinking and social policy. Holland's history as a trading nation led it to understand and respect everyone in the world. Europe has much more "mature" societies and cultures than we do in Canada. If this can happen in Holland then can it happen here?

Yet after the killing of the Theo van Gogh the Dutch culture of acceptance started to change.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theo_van_Gogh_(film_director)

[Blunt]

No, multiculturalism is here to stay in Canada.

What I do see happening is that Islam-linked cultures will start to be shunned in society, .. rejected. While other cultures will continue to flourish in Canada. To be honest, Islamics-culture will be looked down upon until they can get rid of the stigma of terrorism.

There are no major issues with other cultures.
Islam is creating a problem for itself with such extremists.

[Bullseye]

Holland was actually one of the most multi-cultural nations in the world. Holland has a reputation for being extremely open and liberal in social thinking and social policy. Holland's history as a trading nation led it to understand and respect everyone in the world. Europe has much more "mature" societies and cultures than we do in Canada. If this can happen in Holland then can it happen here?

Yet after the killing of the Theo van Gogh the Dutch culture of acceptance started to change.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theo_van_Gogh_(film_director)

I disagree completely. Holland's reputation as a tolerant society has never truly extended to non-white cultures, they have always been isolated in their own communities. The government itself has made lots of multicultural policies over the years, but a large portion of the Dutch population harbours long held inherrently racist beliefs, and this has prevented the type of multiculturalism we've seen here and in the U.S.

[rayesyn]

easier said than done, however i totally agree with what you're saying

Please note - I have white friends and black friends. I have Jewish friends and Arab friends. I have Liberal friends and I have Conservative friends. I even have some Serbian friends. I judge people by their character rather than their religion.

[CodecX81]

Things across the ocean are way different ways of life over here. We're a country based on diversity and immigration... The "old world" has been a hotspot since the medieval times of conquering.

The worst thing we can do is create a divide. Everyone just wants to play on the same field, there should not be second class citizenry just because they are of a different religion.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_and_other_religions

[Rehan]

What I do see happening is that Islam-linked cultures will start to be shunned in society, .. rejected. While other cultures will continue to flourish in Canada. To be honest, Islamics-culture will be looked down upon until they can get rid of the stigma of terrorism.

"start to"? it started about 5 years ago...

There are no major issues with other cultures.

The black community in Toronto is facing a similar problem...a few really bad apples are spoiling the perception of the whole bunch.

[brwnhaggler]

How would multiculturism die??? It's a phenomenon that is beyond legislation. We are not Europe, and completely agree with bulleyes in that they are highly ethnocentric. I whole heartily agree that multiculturism is a double edged sword, but it's a path that we have gone down(consciously on unconsciously) and there is no turning back. Let's keep into perspective that the vast majority of Muslim are peace faring people just trying to have a go at life, kinda like the rest of us. We seem to use the minority to represent the whole.

[skanji]

The black community in Toronto is facing a similar problem...a few really bad apples are spoiling the perception of the whole bunch.

Well then the problem should be attributed to the 'bunch'...

[brwnhaggler]

to the 'bunch' of black people, or the bunch of everybody else???

Well then the problem should be attributed to the 'bunch'...

[skanji]

to the 'bunch' of black people, or the bunch of everybody else???

I meant to say that the problem should be attributed to individuals who allow the few rotten apples who spoil the bunch.

I don't feel that a few of any minority actions dictate who they are to me (Americans, Germans, Muslims, etc...)

[Blunt]

"start to"? it started about 5 years ago...

The black community in Toronto is facing a similar problem...a few really bad apples are spoiling the perception of the whole bunch.

To be honest, for myself, I didn't Islamic extremism a problem when Sept 11 happened. Now with this case of the group 17, I am now starting to be afraid. For me, this started on Saturday when the arrest started. Before then, I think I had a fairly open mind.

[Roninvancouver]

Please note - I am not making this up.

You seemed to have ignored the request to reply this question about your statements in another thread so please answer:

You said that when the Serbs, Mulims and Croats had their civil war that no "foreigners" were killed and it was "kept in the family". That's a pretty selective and self serving time frame.

During WW2, the Croatians were allied with the Nazis and conducted brutality on a scale which shocked even Hitler's SS. Croatian "Ustasha" killed women, children and any allied prisoners they could find. English, Canadian and Americans were all killed by the Croats. In fact it was the Serbians who were allies of the West, not the Croats.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ante_Pavelic


Should we be afraid of Croatians since they were extremists and threatened the security of the free world just over 60 years ago?