World universities ranking, UT 24th, UW 202-300

[TenzoR]

anyone know what Carleton University in Ottawa ranks? Can't seem to get the link to work

278 Univerisity of Ottawa
294 Univerisity of Waterloo
306 Carleton University

[fatduckie]

Well, I believe each university has its own strong academic school. For example, UW has strong engineering school, York has business and fine art, UT has med school, etc. The ranking doesn't show too much info regarding this matter.

I really feel that the ranking for a whole university doesn't imple to what you learn from your professors. For example, as far as I know, every program in each engineering school in Ontario teach the same material because of the future PEO test.

IMO, picking right program in right university is more important than just blindly picking the top school with the wrong program.

[calluses]

(programming is for college anyways )

sure whatever you say CS majors from any university would laugh that off

it measures the quality of the prof's.

UW does have some pretty crappy profs...but also some good ones. same can be said for any other university. so i'm assuming whoever came up with the ranking actually got to research every prof from every university?? hmm...

[calluses]

wth is this? just becuz its art or music from recent contem and not ur techy/geeky/computery thingy, doesnt mean they are not worth studying,
especially if u havent taken it, dont bash it, we learn the art/music from different perspectives (from socicultural to historical to techniques, etc)
man, seriously, don't bash art courses
i guess UW should really teach their students about life and how to apprecipate life >_< computer is not the world, dude~! (i guess this is why the computer industry is coming down, too many eccentric/lifeless workers)

and every university has its seemingly-bird courses,
what about UW's infamous introduction to sex? do you really need to pay a few hundred bucks to learn about the birds and the bees?

and why are u bashin ryerson for being a former college?
does "Waterloo College Associate Faculties" ring a bell?
(fyi, waterloo college was WL university, and UW is formerly its associate faculty, doesnt it make it even LESSER than a college?)

not trying to single ryerson out, but someone earlier mentioned how UW would appear more of a college in the US. compared to ryerson, it's not. and that fact about WCAF/UW...when was that (1957, then 1960 UW officially a university)?? when did ryerson become a university (1993??) sorry if it offends you. WCAF was in a time when there werent too many distinctions between college/university.

yes UW has that sex course...but how many bird courses do we offer?and compared to that of the course catalogue of other universities i.e. UofT?

and you're hinting at a stereotype of CS students here...i admire your sense of humour but sorry to say we take art courses as electives. yes i have taken art and music courses. yes i have attended art lectures at U of T (but not as a student), and i've even written a couple of architecture papers for U of T ARC courses. so hate to break it to you, but CS students are not in another world. we don't sit in front of the computer all day coding. just because we didn't want to take music and art and make it our occupation doesn't mean we don't have appreciation for it. so in your mind, CS majors dont listen to music and have no appreciation for art? yes we play board games and card games all day. we make computer jokes and love to bash microsoft we collect comic books and computer games .

and where did i say that art was "not worth studying"? was i bashing OCAD? was i bashing architecture programs? accounting? please don't antagonize me against the ARTs just because i despise certain degree programs.

didn't mean to offend, but if people were to say UW is more of a college, than a dozen other universities in ontario would be "colleges" as well.

[calluses]

Well, I believe each university has its own strong academic school. For example, UW has strong engineering school, York has business and fine art, UT has med school, etc. The ranking doesn't show too much info regarding this matter.

I really feel that the ranking for a whole university doesn't imple to what you learn from your professors. For example, as far as I know, every program in each engineering school in Ontario teach the same material because of the future PEO test.

IMO, picking right program in right university is more important than just blindly picking the top school with the wrong program.

amen to that.

i wouldn't say UW is necessarily BETTER than any university...but 202-300???while UT is 24th...c'mon....

what were UW's ranking in Maclean's every year?

[gilboman]

sure whatever you say CS majors from any university would laugh that off



UW does have some pretty crappy profs...but also some good ones. same can be said for any other university. so i'm assuming whoever came up with the ranking actually got to research every prof from every university?? hmm...

if all you learned in CS at waterloo was programming, then it sure is crappy. CS is much much more than just programming.

actually the ranking looked at the published works and awards won by the profs.

no offence, but you appear really really dim for a university student, let alone waterloo student.

as for comments about Ryerson, I'm just taking a stab at it here, but the reasoning the other poster suggested Ryerson would be more of a University than Waterloo in the States revolves around the breadth of programs offered.

Waterloo would be more of a technical institute in the US since Ryerson offers a much broader range of programs that a US university would offer.

Also, notice how all the top universities in the US and around the world are famous not b/c of their CS/ENG programs, but their arts. E.g. Oxford, Yale, Princeton, Harvard, UCLA, Columbia (Berkely) even MIT are high in reputation not because of their "technical" programs although of course their Eng/Cs if offered are of the highest calibre.

but with that being said, Waterloo for the programs it does offer are of a high quality if looking at the undergrad level and their co-op programs are very high calibre as well.

there is nothing wrong with not being considered a university in US standards as long as the programs it does offer is of a high quality.

[calluses]

if all you learned in CS at waterloo was programming, then it sure is crappy. CS is much much more than just programming.

actually the ranking looked at the published works and awards won by the profs.

no offence, but you appear really really dim for a university student, let alone waterloo student.

hehe so far in the 1st couple of years we've had more programming assignments than paperwork for half of the required cs courses...it's just to get everyone used to java scheme and MIPS since people came out of highschool with different experiences (my highschool taught OOT/Turing for the first 3 years -__-)

to be honest i didn't look at the rankings in detail...it's just the discussions earlier on in the thread that got me fired up. if they look at awards/published works then i wouldnt be surprised as UW is relatively new as a university. they should also look at companies started by grads (i.e. RIM )

and HEY...i'm on my co-op term right now.

[friend_4ever]

not trying to single ryerson out, but someone earlier mentioned how UW would appear more of a college in the US. compared to ryerson, it's not. and that fact about WCAF/UW...when was that (1957, then 1960 UW officially a university)?? when did ryerson become a university (1993??) sorry if it offends you. WCAF was in a time when there werent too many distinctions between college/university.

yes UW has that sex course...but how many bird courses do we offer?and compared to that of the course catalogue of other universities i.e. UofT?

and you're hinting at a stereotype of CS students here...i admire your sense of humour but sorry to say we take art courses as electives. yes i have taken art and music courses. yes i have attended art lectures at U of T (but not as a student), and i've even written a couple of architecture papers for U of T ARC courses. so hate to break it to you, but CS students are not in another world. we don't sit in front of the computer all day coding. just because we didn't want to take music and art and make it our occupation doesn't mean we don't have appreciation for it. so in your mind, CS majors dont listen to music and have no appreciation for art? yes we play board games and card games all day. we make computer jokes and love to bash microsoft we collect comic books and computer games .

and where did i say that art was "not worth studying"? was i bashing OCAD? was i bashing architecture programs? accounting? please don't antagonize me against the ARTs just because i despise certain degree programs.

didn't mean to offend, but if people were to say UW is more of a college, than a dozen other universities in ontario would be "colleges" as well.

well, of cuz when they say that the americans think UW is a college, i don't know wth are they thinking, UW isnt a bad university at all,

but hey, dude, the only argument u had in ur post is that waterloo has a kickass CS or CE program (hey it does!) and it should definitely rank higher than schools who offer more art/music programs/courses, that clearly shows ur eccentricity about the computer industry especially when u point out specifically that ryerson also offers interior design or fahison design

well,whether those programs are easy or not, u dont have the right to scoff at art/music programs, scoffing is not a form of appreciation,
just becuz u have the knowledge, u're not necessarily appreciating art especially when u think art/music programs are inferior to ur precious CS program

i also see that you try to bash at universities based on their easier programs whose admission requirements might be lower, seriously, whats the point dude? does it make u feel big?

haha, u're also trying to point out the difference in age between UW and RU?
UW was established as university in 1960 and RU was established as university in 1990, a merely 30 yr in difference does not grant u the right to scoff at them
hey, all the top universities in that list have over 100 years of history, so i guess it is okay for them to think less of UW then? haha

u know wut, its YOU who brought shame to ur program, "ooooo, we are the best at computers, so that should make our school superior to any other school"
when ppl first met u, they would automatically think that CS and CE ppl are introverted individuals,
and its YOU who has been stereotyping and discriminating against art/music programs implying that art/music programs are not as worthy to be studied and to be appreciated by the world as ur precious little programs are......

and if u want to compare soooo badly, fyi, i know quite a lot engineers here at UTSG doing co-op (or whatever the name of that coop thingy is) making more than $20 in their 2nd and 3rd year, so........

[calluses]

well,whether those programs are easy or not, u dont have the right to scoff at art/music programs, scoffing is not a form of appreciation,
just becuz u have the knowledge, u're not necessarily appreciating art especially when u think art/music programs are inferior to ur precious CS program

fine. point taken...probably don't have the "right" to. genuinely sorry if i hurt anyone's feelings.

i also see that you try to bash at universities based on their easier programs whose admission requirements might be lower, seriously, whats the point dude? does it make u feel big?

no. i get nothing out of this. it's a friggin discussion forum, i don't gain/lose much from participating in this thread. do you? it's to voice opinions; political correctness is not required. and i don't think i have said anything that is not true. although, yes, the implications could be taken as 'bashing'

haha, u're also trying to point out the difference in age between UW and RU?
UW was established as university in 1960 and RU was established as university in 1990, a merely 30 yr in difference does not grant u the right to scoff at them

of course i don't. in the ideal world, no one has that "right", right?

hey, all the top universities in that list have over 100 years of history, so i guess it is okay for them to think less of UW then? haha

yes i believe they have the "right"; either way, as you said, they ARE top universities.

u know wut, its YOU who brought shame to ur program, "ooooo, we are the best at computers, so that should make our school superior to any other school"
when ppl first met u, they would automatically think that CS and CE ppl are introverted individuals,
and its YOU who has been stereotyping and discriminating against art/music programs implying that art/music programs are not as worthy to be studied and to be appreciated by the world as ur precious little programs are......

ah touche, but your retaliation with the "geek" stereotype is so inspiring...

and if u want to compare soooo badly, fyi, i know quite a lot engineers here at UTSG doing co-op (or whatever the name of that coop thingy is) making more than $20 in their 2nd and 3rd year, so........

good for them! i mean it. well they rank 24th, man. i have no problem with UofT being 24th...but having UW more than 175 ranks behind...hmmm

[JimG]

I think Maclean's ranking is even more useless than this one. Maclean's essentially gets their results by sending out thousands of letters to graduates and industry asking them to kindly fill out a questionaire about university. You can imagine the response rate for that approach. Maclean's publishes numbers that aren't necessarily indicators of the quality of the education at the university. I think it's little more than a popularity contest.

Jim

[friend_4ever]

fine. point taken...probably don't have the "right" to. genuinely sorry if i hurt anyone's feelings.

ah touche, but your retaliation with the "geek" stereotype is so inspiring...

ya man, as long as u dont bash other programs/fields
in every field/program, theres someone who will devote their lives to that particular field and may someday become very successfull, hey, maybe a dude going to ryerson for fashion design is gonna be the next tom ford or something (and fyi, ford studied interior design as his major too haha)

oh man, geek is not an offensive term
but geek is just ... by defintion in wikipedia.... a person who is fascinated, perhaps obsessively, by obscure or very specific areas of knowledge or in terms of technology, a geek is a person who is interested in technology, especially computing....
like most of the ppl here are deal geeks too haha

[calluses]

ya man, as long as u dont bash other programs/fields
in every field/program, theres someone who will devote their lives to that particular field and may someday become very successfull, hey, maybe a dude going to ryerson for fashion design is gonna be the next tom ford or something (and fyi, ford studied interior design as his major too haha)

oh man, geek is not an offensive term
but geek is just ... by defintion in wikipedia.... a person who is fascinated, perhaps obsessively, by obscure or very specific areas of knowledge or in terms of technology, a geek is a person who is interested in technology, especially computing....
like most of the ppl here are deal geeks too haha

honest to god, i wasn't trying to make anyone feel bad

i'm not trying to put people down for being in certain field/program, it's just that there are certain field/programs that many people (including myself) think should belong to college rather than university. doesn't necessarily mean i have less respect for the people in that program...the world needs artists, but i always think stuff like interior design or fashion design should be studied in colleges like OCAD...colleges DEVOTED to the arts. nothing wrong with that.

[purple_rabbit]

294 Univerisity of Waterloo?

Hmm yeah that sounds about right lol