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Worth replacing old valve with ball valve for main water shut off valve?

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MrFrugal1 wrote:
Oct 12th, 2018 12:21 am
...They then managed to break off that shut off . In order to replace that, they had to shut off the supply for thousands of homes.
We will usually repair that live so we do not inconvenience other clients but each situation is unique, regardless it is a very costly repair.
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MrFrugal1 wrote:
Oct 11th, 2018 11:58 pm
On a similar note: I used to bitch about builders cheaping out by not installing shut offs at every fixture. I've since decided that it's actually better that they haven't, because; i): They inevitably are either frozen open or leak if disturbed, and, ii): The main shut off gets exercised once in a while.
I bet this guy wishes there was a shut off under this bathroom vanity sink :)

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mwong168 wrote:
Oct 12th, 2018 11:09 am
I bet this guy wishes there was a shut off under this bathroom vanity sink :)

I remember watching that years ago. I couldn’t stop laughing at the lady with the vacuum
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MrFrugal1 wrote:
Oct 12th, 2018 12:21 am
That's a very risky proposition to mess with that curb shut off.
I wish I'd bookmarked it, but there was a YouTube of some plumbers who requested the City of Toronto to shut off a supply at the curb, so they could change out a townhouse unit's main shut off. It was somewhere along Finch Ave, IIRC.
City arrived, then snapped off the curb side valve. In order to dig up and replace the curb side valve, they had to go out to the main street. They then managed to break off that shut off . In order to replace that, they had to shut off the supply for thousands of homes.
The plumber thought was hilarious, and estimated it at about $30,000 in overtime (not out of his pocket of course). Had he messed with it, it would have been a different story.
I’m not saying I would do it, just that the option exists in some cities.
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Red_Army wrote: I remember watching that years ago. I couldn’t stop laughing at the lady with the vacuum
This is not a vacuum Grinning Face With Smiling Eyes. It's a carpet washing machine. You wet the carpet and you pick up water and detergent with that machine. Great tool for what they have to deal with Grinning Face With Smiling Eyes
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Tommy74 wrote:
Oct 12th, 2018 2:20 pm
This is not a vacuum Grinning Face With Smiling Eyes. It's a carpet washing machine. You wet the carpet and you pick up water and detergent with that machine. Great tool for what they have to deal with Grinning Face With Smiling Eyes
Sorry, “wet” vacuum
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Yes, totally. I got mine replaced last year - I paid a total of $170, which was really just the plumber's time...totally worth the peace of mind! You have to contact city to shut off water - I didn't have to pay for that...was a pretty smooth and quick process. I'm not in the GTA (before I get any requests for contact info lol)
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hierophant wrote:
Oct 12th, 2018 7:20 pm
Yes, totally. I got mine replaced last year - I paid a total of $170, which was really just the plumber's time...totally worth the peace of mind! You have to contact city to shut off water - I didn't have to pay for that...was a pretty smooth and quick process. I'm not in the GTA (before I get any requests for contact info lol)
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My B-i-L lives in an area with very hard aquifer water. Had to really crank the main valve to shut if off. I had to work on the dishwasher and that valve, along with the other valves under the kitchen sink (and presumably all through the house), were all frozen with mineral deposits. Wholly recommended to replace these valves.
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I wouldn't use shark bites on the main supply except as an emergency shutoff, trying to shove a cap on a pressurised pipe would be impossible but always handy to have a shark bit valve, push it in then shut it off.
OK to use in an accessible area
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Daijoubu wrote:
Oct 22nd, 2018 6:20 pm
I wouldn't use shark bites on the main supply except as an emergency shutoff, trying to shove a cap on a pressurised pipe would be impossible but always handy to have a shark bit valve, push it in then shut it off.
OK to use in an accessible area
It’s not impossible. I’ve done it
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Red_Army wrote:
Oct 22nd, 2018 6:26 pm
It’s not impossible. I’ve done it
Still much easier to do so with a valve in the open position lol
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Daijoubu wrote:
Oct 22nd, 2018 6:29 pm
Still much easier to do so with a valve in the open position lol
I agree
But it’s not impossible as you suggested
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Yep, someone said it will take 40?+ lb of force on a 3/4 pipe (at what PSI?) Seems fessible indeed.
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Daijoubu wrote:
Oct 22nd, 2018 6:20 pm
I wouldn't use shark bites on the main supply except as an emergency shutoff, trying to shove a cap on a pressurised pipe would be impossible but always handy to have a shark bit valve, push it in then shut it off.
OK to use in an accessible area
I still carry a wooden dowel in the event the plumbing material breaks so it's very doable. Though I have had success using shark bites on galvanized when the main valve let go and it's a much preferred solution.

In training I make all employees learn how to install a compression fitting valve assembly, shark bite and how to use a wooden dowel to stop the water all while working on a pressurized line, you might not use it daily but it will come in handy one day.

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