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Poll: Are Canadian cars overpriced

  • Total votes: 335. You have voted on this poll.
I have no voice, Canadian Dealers/Manufacturers are taking advantage of the Canadian consumer
 
112
33%
In most cases, new cars purchased in the US are almost always thousands cheaper
 
149
44%
I owe no one a living, competition is good. Thank you NAFTA!
 
61
18%
With the exchange rate factored in, Canadian prices are roughly the same
 
6
2%
With the exchange rate and financing, Canadian prices are cheaper - Buy Canadian!
 
7
2%

Poll ended at Dec 28th, 2006 1:46 pm

Newbie
Jan 2, 2017
2 posts
Would i pay Califoria sales tax if i buy a car there and drive it back to BC with a temp licence?
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Oct 6, 2007
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Indybob wrote:
Jan 3rd, 2017 11:58 pm
Would i pay Califoria sales tax if i buy a car there and drive it back to BC with a temp licence?
AFAIK, the only way to avoid California sales tax would be to ship it out of state.
Newbie
Mar 19, 2017
3 posts
I'm about to buy a car from a private seller in the US, for around 15k. Since I'm not about to bring that amount of cash in my pockets, what do people generally use to pay for their cars? He's understandably not too keen on a certified cheque (because they take a couple days to clear), any other "instant" way of paying?

Also, I'm not sure I totally understand the 72h thing with the U.S. Border. This means I have to fly there 3 days in advance, transfer the title with the seller in person, mail it to the border crossing along with the rest of the paperwork (the one I'm planning to cross needs the original), then I can drive there 3 days later? How are people proceeding to buy cars "remotely"? Do you mail the original title back and forth between buyer and seller?

Thanks!
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Jul 4, 2004
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Ottawa
lapoune wrote:
Mar 21st, 2017 9:43 am
I'm about to buy a car from a private seller in the US, for around 15k. Since I'm not about to bring that amount of cash in my pockets, what do people generally use to pay for their cars? He's understandably not too keen on a certified cheque (because they take a couple days to clear), any other "instant" way of paying?

Also, I'm not sure I totally understand the 72h thing with the U.S. Border. This means I have to fly there 3 days in advance, transfer the title with the seller in person, mail it to the border crossing along with the rest of the paperwork (the one I'm planning to cross needs the original), then I can drive there 3 days later? How are people proceeding to buy cars "remotely"? Do you mail the original title back and forth between buyer and seller?

Thanks!
Unfortunately, unless you want to make multiple trips or spend some time in the US, you'll have to trust your seller. To pay for most of the cars I purchased, I paid by wire. Mailing the title back and forth probably won't work simply because most sellers probably won't sign over and send you the title without having the receiving the payment.

The process to export the vehicle from the US has changed a bit since this thread was started (good and bad). The good news is that I don't think any of the ports need the actual title 3 business days (weekends don't count) before the export and now you can just fax or email a copy (which the seller can easily do for you). The bad news is that now, all vehicle exports have to be submitted online through AES. I don't know if it's possible to get an account if you don't have a US tax id or something like that. Probably the easiest thing to do, especially if you're only going to do this once, is to hire someone to do it. This company (http://simplifiedtradesolutions.com/get ... o-canada/ ) does it for $35US. You might also be able to find a forum member that will do it for you. If you want to do it yourself, this thread has good information (http://www.canadavisa.com/canada-immigr ... 713.0.html).

You also need to confirm the hours of operation for export at the US POE you will be crossing (the one I go through only does vehicle exports Mon-Fri 8:30am-4:30pm).

Good luck,
Mike
Newbie
Mar 19, 2017
3 posts
Thanks for the help, I ended up wiring the money, and he will send me a scan of the filled title. I will try the site you mentioned for AES, found a couple but it's good to know that this one works. Imported a car before but never from a private seller it's a bit more complicated.
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Jul 4, 2004
4067 posts
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Ottawa
lapoune wrote:
Mar 21st, 2017 10:37 pm
Thanks for the help, I ended up wiring the money, and he will send me a scan of the filled title. I will try the site you mentioned for AES, found a couple but it's good to know that this one works. Imported a car before but never from a private seller it's a bit more complicated.
Just so there's no misunderstanding, I've never used the link I posted for AES; it's just the cheapest I found and I saw it recommended somewhere else ... (I've worked in the US and have a US mailing address so I have everything I needed to register for AES myself (I'm not sure exactly what you need; I did it many years ago...))
Newbie
Mar 19, 2017
3 posts
I ended up going with clearit.ca for the ITN#. There were some problems identifying the Title# (some states don't have a clearly defined one), and brokers were telling me I needed it while the DMV was saying it doesn't exist. A lot seemed confused by the process themselves and contradicted stuff I learned or read here. I got fed up with it and went with clearit. It's 150 so significantly more expensive but they handle everything and helped with choosing a port of entry with the different rules and hours for vehicle exports. I did all my research beforehand so I knew most of it but it was nice to have confirmation and for someone looking for a simpler process it's pretty smooth with them so far. Will update once I get my ITN.
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Oct 7, 2008
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I searched the thread and looked at the apa link for warranty info but didn't get a full answer. If I import a NEW GM/Chevrolet vehicle:

1. Does it need to be registered in the USA (besides the dealer) first? I read some say yes and some no.

2. I have to wait 6 months and 12k from registering it for the first time ever in Canada(this is assuming point one is a no) to exercise the warranty? Apa website appears to indicate this point, just want to confirm.
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Jul 4, 2004
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Ottawa
I RFD wrote:
Aug 7th, 2017 10:48 pm
I searched the thread and looked at the apa link for warranty info but didn't get a full answer. If I import a NEW GM/Chevrolet vehicle:

1. Does it need to be registered in the USA (besides the dealer) first? I read some say yes and some no.

2. I have to wait 6 months and 12k from registering it for the first time ever in Canada(this is assuming point one is a no) to exercise the warranty? Apa website appears to indicate this point, just want to confirm.
I'm not sure how up to date the information on APA's website is so I would suggest checking with GM USA and asking. They do mention getting the recall clearance letter from GM Vintage which I believe is GM's proper process but I believe when I imported a GM vehicle (used) a few years ago, I was able to just use a print out from the GM system saying no outstanding recalls.
Sr. Member
Oct 7, 2008
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I called GM Canada and they said you don't need to register the NEW car in the USA first. Warranty will delayed 6 moths or 12K km (the person didn't seem sure if it was either or both) as suggested by the APA website.

I'm having issues actually finding a GM dealership that will sell to me with the factory incentives. All the ones that have gotten back to me (north east USA) so far either say they cant sell a new car to Canadians or wont offer the factory incentives. Some of the dealerships refusing to sell are not bordering states or anywhere you'd consider close to the Canadian border, they've probably not ever even seen a potential canadian customer lol.

Are USA GM dealerships allowed to give factory incentives if the car will be imported to Canada?
Newbie
Jul 5, 2016
11 posts
1 upvote
In case somebody's still reading this :)

How would exemption work if I purchase new car in California (shipping out surely) to Buffalo and then drive myself from Buffalo?
I mean this should work, but seems a bit confusing to me and will be confusing for California dealer for sure who will see canuck maybe for the first time in his life :-D

Another option as far as I understand would be to arrange complete shipping/customs service with some broker to let them do everything and get delivered to Ontario for me. Might be OK, but have to find good broker then.
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ValenP wrote:
Apr 22nd, 2018 12:52 am
In case somebody's still reading this :)

How would exemption work if I purchase new car in California (shipping out surely) to Buffalo and then drive myself from Buffalo?
I mean this should work, but seems a bit confusing to me and will be confusing for California dealer for sure who will see canuck maybe for the first time in his life :-D

Another option as far as I understand would be to arrange complete shipping/customs service with some broker to let them do everything and get delivered to Ontario for me. Might be OK, but have to find good broker then.
I've been down this road, and it's a whole lot harder than you might think, even for a brand new car. First make sure the make/model you want, can infact be imported into Canada. I could go down the list but here read up on it. https://www.coleintl.com/importing-vehi ... canada.php

BTW, why on earth would you want to import a California emissions vehicle, unless you already had the car and was moving to Canada ???
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Jul 4, 2004
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Ottawa
If by exemption you mean "CA tax exemption on a car bought in CA but shipped out of state", it's not quite simple because you'll likely need a temporary plate to drive the car once you receive it wherever you are getting it shipped to. I don't believe you can get one from whichever state you are receiving in (e.g. NY will only give you a temp permit if the car is coming into NY or leaving NY (or staying in NY) but they won't issue one for transit). I know that Ontario will not give you a temporary permit until the vehicle is in Canada so that doesn't help (not sure about other provinces but I suspect they are the same). Technically, you need to get a temp permit from CA which means paying CA taxes.

If it was me, I'd probably just stick a plate on it from my current car just to get it into Ontario (but that is illegal and you could get a fine for driving unregistered vehicle (I tend to think that if you have insurance on the vehicle and show them proof that you just bought it and are in the process of getting it properly plated, they might give you a break but it is breaking the law). In theory, you'd probably be better "more legal" driving with insurance and no plates at all but in reality, I think you'll attract less attention by having a plate from another vehicle. To do it completely legally, you could certainly rent a dolly or flatbed and tow the vehicle to Canada.

As far as the process, it's really not that complicated but you do have to do your homework. The thread is a few years old but the information still applies so read the first post. The only thing that's really changed is the US Customs Export process (AES) - easiest thing for that is find a company to submit it for you (I think you should be able to find it for $30-$50). www.riv.ca has most of the information.

It's true that some vehicles are not admissible to Canada but I think it's the minority (offhand I can only think of Tesla, some exotics and rare models that can't be imported). Having said that, many cars do require some modifications (e.g. DRLs, child seat anchors, etc). Warranties are entirely different and you really have to look at each manufacturer but the warranty will become void for many manufacturers.
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Jul 5, 2016
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Techmann wrote:
Apr 22nd, 2018 2:32 pm
BTW, why on earth would you want to import a California emissions vehicle, unless you already had the car and was moving to Canada ???
I might be missing something here :)

Thanks michelb for considerations. With all of that seems the only option I have is to use broker who will deliver car directly from California to Canada (which means more money spent again).

BTW, at the end I've decided to drop it all since dealer in California couldn't provide more incentives while Canadian added some rebates so at the end getting car in Canada would become $700 cheaper than from California (with transportation and other fees included). No miracles here :)

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